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Assassinator · 21/06/2010 05:07 AM

(21/06/2010 01:37 AM)ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: From the above, it looks like Thora is going _less_ than crf14, as file size is bigger,

That's only the OP. No big deal because the OP is a one off thing. Look at the main files... Thora = 900MB per 1080p episode. Coalgirls = 1600MB per 1080p episode.

And I personally think it's a good idea to stick more bitrate into the OP (lower crf for OP than main episode), because if you've actually seen the OP, it does actually need the bits to look good (it's much more "visual" than the main episode). Also, improving the OP has a very small cost to total size (at most like 50MB or something), while changing anything in the main episodes will have a huge cost.

(21/06/2010 01:37 AM)ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: Honestly, I'd have to choose CG out of the two.

That's based on the sizes for the OP. Would you still choose Coalgirls knowing the true sizes of the files? (900 vs 1600)

You said they look the same anyway. If they look the same, the smaller one is superior.

(21/06/2010 01:54 AM)S7* Wrote: FLAC > AC3

No, FLAC is dumb. Really, can you honestly hear the difference between lossless and high bitrate lossy? I seriously doubt it.

So maybe you're willing to spend 1500KB/s on an audio stream, just so you can get the placebo effect in your mind that the audio is audibly better, I'm not particularly fond of doing that. (Hell, why not go lossless video too? Huffyuv all the way).

AC3 is also dumb for that matter, because if they're going to re-encode it anyway, why not choose a more efficient codec instead like AAC?

(21/06/2010 01:54 AM)S7* Wrote: and those video details pretty much say CoalGirls is better like you said.

Are you just imagining things in your head?

1. You CANNOT see the video details for Thora, they blanked it out.
2. He DID NOT say Coalgirls had better video either.

(21/06/2010 01:54 AM)S7* Wrote: FLAC > AC3

Depends on source. If source is AC3, FLAC isn't going to improve quality.
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Source should be lossless.

Kana · 21/06/2010 05:08 AM

damn awesome, if you don't mind economic lessons and ummm not top grade plotline.

S7* · 21/06/2010 05:25 AM

(21/06/2010 05:07 AM)Assassinator Wrote:
(21/06/2010 01:54 AM)S7* Wrote: FLAC > AC3

No, FLAC is dumb. Really, can you honestly hear the difference between lossless and high bitrate lossy? I seriously doubt it.

So? Disregarding size, FLAC is better. I'm not going to argue about it, but it's like saying "lets use lossy codecs when wee have enough resources for lossless". BluRay, for example - and these are BluRay rips - it's not a "bad" thing that they are providing equivalent quality.

(21/06/2010 05:07 AM)Assassinator Wrote:
(21/06/2010 01:54 AM)S7* Wrote: and those video details pretty much say CoalGirls is better like you said.

Are you just imagining things in your head?

1. You CANNOT see the video details for Thora, they blanked it out.
2. He DID NOT say Coalgirls had better video either.

1. I said video details - not encode details.
2. He said he'd choose CoalGirls between the two. And as far as he mentioned he was talking about choosing CG from the details, not looking at the video.

(21/06/2010 05:08 AM)Kana Wrote: damn awesome, if you don't mind economic lessons and ummm not top grade plotline.

Sound like a good replacement for Index. Thanks Heartless.

Assassinator · 21/06/2010 05:39 AM

(21/06/2010 05:25 AM)S7* Wrote: So? Disregarding size, FLAC is better.

Disregarding size, raw RBG > everything.

(21/06/2010 05:25 AM)S7* Wrote: I'm not going to argue about it, but it's like saying "lets use lossy codecs when wee have enough resources for lossless". BluRay, for example - and these are BluRay rips - it's not a "bad" thing that they are providing equivalent quality.

Less waste space on lossless codecs when wee can't actually tell the difference between the two.

(21/06/2010 05:25 AM)S7* Wrote: 1. I said video details - not encode details.

Lets see what other video details I see...

Spoiler for Coalgirls:

Spoiler for Thora:

Lets see... pretty same? (level makes no difference pretty much). EDIT: Oh shiii.... you're right. 3 ref frames (Thora) vs 8 (Coalgirls).

(21/06/2010 05:25 AM)S7* Wrote: 2. He said he'd choose CoalGirls between the two. And as far as he mentioned he was talking about choosing CG from the details, not looking at the video.

From the size and audio I think...

"From the above, it looks like Thora is going _less_ than crf14, as file size is bigger (note: bigger at same visual quality = worse), plus they're using lossy audio track"

But he didn't know that in the actual episodes, Coalgirls wastes much more bitrate than Thora. Really... would YOU download an extra 700MB for something that looks the same?

S7* · 21/06/2010 05:45 AM

(21/06/2010 05:39 AM)Assassinator Wrote: But he didn't know that in the actual episodes, Coalgirls wastes much more bitrate than Thora. Really... would YOU download an extra 700MB for something that looks the same?

Ahaha, of course not, but so long as it isn't a pointlessly high bitrate it's retaining some kind of detail/quality that may only be noticeable on very large displays. I don't have very large displays so I can't judge. I suppose in that respect the higher bitrate encode will look better when scaled up as well.

Kana · 21/06/2010 05:49 AM

by not top grade i mean it's not as epic as you know, other stuffs, but it's still damn good to me.

S7* · 21/06/2010 05:52 AM

(21/06/2010 05:49 AM)Kana Wrote: by not top grade i mean it's not as epic as you know, other stuffs, but it's still damn good to me.

Haha, I'll keep that in mind. Cheers Heartless~

Assassinator · 21/06/2010 05:59 AM

(21/06/2010 05:45 AM)S7* Wrote: Ahaha, of course not, but so long as it isn't a pointlessly high bitrate it's retaining some kind of detail/quality that may only be noticeable on very large displays. I don't have very large displays so I can't judge. I suppose in that respect the higher bitrate encode will look better when scaled up as well.

Possibly, but I believe crf14 will always be overkill, especially on HD material.

HD = less detail density and complexity per macro-block size, so the crf algorithm will penalize HD stuff less compared to SD stuff (as crf reduces quantizer based on complexity). Also, any loss in quality will be less visible in HD material, also because of the fact that everything is more spread out.

(Also, just because there's a mathematical difference doesn't mean your eyes can actually tell that difference).

Kana · 21/06/2010 06:16 AM

(21/06/2010 05:52 AM)S7* Wrote:
(21/06/2010 05:49 AM)Kana Wrote: by not top grade i mean it's not as epic as you know, other stuffs, but it's still damn good to me.

Haha, I'll keep that in mind. Cheers Heartless~

but bah, Horo existent alone made that thing deserve a 10/10 already.

S7* · 21/06/2010 06:19 AM

(21/06/2010 06:16 AM)Kana Wrote:
(21/06/2010 05:52 AM)S7* Wrote:
(21/06/2010 05:49 AM)Kana Wrote: by not top grade i mean it's not as epic as you know, other stuffs, but it's still damn good to me.

Haha, I'll keep that in mind. Cheers Heartless~

but bah, Horo existent alone made that thing deserve a 10/10 already.

I've always like the look of her. Time to see her in action me thinks ^-^

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