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xero1 · 20/04/2011 10:19 AM

It has nothing to do with deep thinking while being high. It's a general state of mind. Reading some of Hellgiver's past posts you can see that it's not a weed based deep thinking like "WOW man, the sky is so big" "The colors are so cool".

The people that that have never and will never smoke weed tend to believe the BS that has been spoon fed to them. It has to do with people unwillingness to try new things and their ability to search for the truth on their own. It's much more then this, but it's a part of their personality. As I said, I can't put it into words correctly.

All I can say is that it's a state of mind that some have and some do not. Don't get me wrong, the people that don't are not bad people at all or the kind of people that I don't like. I have many friends that don't get high or didn't experiment in the past. I just get along much better with people that have a willingness to delve into their own mind. People have felt a complete new way of thinking.

The new way of thinking comes more from LSD and is only a good thing for people that didn't over do it. There is a big difference between people that are burnt out and people that are willing to experiment.

Tetris999 · 20/04/2011 12:16 PM

(20/04/2011 10:19 AM)xero1 Wrote: It has nothing to do with deep thinking while being high. It's a general state of mind. Reading some of Hellgiver's past posts you can see that it's not a weed based deep thinking like "WOW man, the sky is so big" "The colors are so cool".

It may be me being tired, but i did not get this; so are you saying that he's not under the influence of drugs atm when writing this post?

(20/04/2011 10:19 AM)xero1 Wrote: The people that that have never and will never smoke weed tend to believe the BS that has been spoon fed to them.

Naw, I have never smoked weed and will never smoke weed; I don't even drink alcohol or the likes. Why? It's a drug, it affects your mind and body and whatever you say you cannot deny that it's something that affects you. I'm ok with people indulging in different things and having a fun time, it's not my right to point out how they should live their lives.

But please, many people who do not do drugs are of sound mind; they can make choices, choices of THEIR OWN without being affected by any EXTERNAL agent. I get your idea of indulging in new things, closing off ones mind to new experiences does hamper one's understanding of the world; but this, unfortunately has nothing to do with taking weed.

Indulging in an experience that affects you like any other person is not truth, you're simply a conformist to an indulgence you seem to not want to drop. What is truth? Well, that's simply such a general term that i can't even comprehend as to what you meant by that. I'm a person who likes to live without needing the necessity of relying on a drug to affect my mind in such a way, so i think in a certain fashion. I make my own damn choices free of any external pressure, if I'm affecting myself the way others who have done it a thousand times before; in what ways will that experience make me different from them?

No, I do not take words for granted from people nor do i need to have some external agent to get me to "see the truth" better, i think best when i am myself, the chemical processes in my body are controlled by what my body is comprised of and not what I'm feeding into it. I also understand things not from the explanations of others, but from what _I_ derive and understand from the knowledge presented; yes, people who just take an explanation are ignorant when they don't seek to understand in their own terms.

P.S. Yeah, i think i went overboard with this post; forgive me if anything is found offensive, I can also shorten the argument if you'd like as well, sometimes things are better explained in a few sentences.

 I know somethings are redundant, I do not care to fix them atm. :P

 Gonna get lots of hate for the weed post, i know a lot of you guys do it ;)

Now smoking weed to have fun? Yeah that's totally normal, i have no basis of argument against that.

On to the topic, Hellgiver, like many people in this thread; if she was taking these problems to others without consulting you then obviously it's not a relationship anymore. Lots of people go throughout their lives finding people they think they want to be with and then getting dropped harshly; it's not a bad thing in the long run (well it is for the time it happens, which is now), but like you said with the cliche, this pain is showing you WHO you are and WHO you want to be with. I'm not telling you to get over it, I'm telling you _will_ get over it and discover what really means what to you.

Neri0n · 20/04/2011 12:23 PM

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xero1 · 20/04/2011 12:36 PM

(20/04/2011 12:16 PM)Tetris999 Wrote:
(20/04/2011 10:19 AM)xero1 Wrote: It has nothing to do with deep thinking while being high. It's a general state of mind. Reading some of Hellgiver's past posts you can see that it's not a weed based deep thinking like "WOW man, the sky is so big" "The colors are so cool".

It may be me being tired, but i did not get this; so are you saying that he's not under the influence of drugs atm when writing this post?

I'm saying that they are not stupid posts, like what a true burn out would post.

(20/04/2011 10:19 AM)xero1 Wrote: The people that that have never and will never smoke weed tend to believe the BS that has been spoon fed to them.

(20/04/2011 12:16 PM)Tetris999 Wrote: Naw, I have never smoked weed and will never smoke weed; I don't even drink alcohol or the likes. Why? It's a drug, it affects your mind and body and whatever you say you cannot deny that it's something that affects you. I'm ok with people indulging in different things and having a fun time, it's not my right to point out how they should live their lives.

But please, many people who do not do drugs are of sound mind; they can make choices, choices of THEIR OWN without being affected by any EXTERNAL agent. I get your idea of indulging in new things, closing off ones mind to new experiences does hamper one's understanding of the world; but this, unfortunately has nothing to do with taking weed.

Indulging in an experience that affects you like any other person is not truth, you're simply a conformist to an indulgence you seem to not want to drop. What is truth? Well, that's simply such a general term that i can't even comprehend as to what you meant by that. I'm a person who likes to live without needing the necessity of relying on a drug to affect my mind in such a way, so i think in a certain fashion. I make my own damn choices free of any external pressure, if I'm affecting myself the way others who have done it a thousand times before; in what ways will that experience make me different from them?

No, I do not take words for granted from people nor do i need to have some external agent to get me to "see the truth" better, i think best when i am myself the chemical processes in my body are controlled by what my body is comprised of and not what I'm feeding into it.

And I'm fine with that. All I'm just saying that I could not date you and have it last. ;)

It's only weed and your unwillingness to even try it once is not what I'm looking for. That's it nothing more then that. I'm sure wee could be friends in real life and get along just fine. But to say something is wrong without ever trying it? You don't think that says something about your state of understanding things?

Anyways, way off topic here I think. Hellgiver understands what I'm saying and that's all that matters.

Tetris999 · 20/04/2011 01:12 PM

(20/04/2011 12:36 PM)xero1 Wrote:
(20/04/2011 12:16 PM)Tetris999 Wrote:
(20/04/2011 10:19 AM)xero1 Wrote: It has nothing to do with deep thinking while being high. It's a general state of mind. Reading some of Hellgiver's past posts you can see that it's not a weed based deep thinking like "WOW man, the sky is so big" "The colors are so cool".

It may be me being tired, but i did not get this; so are you saying that he's not under the influence of drugs atm when writing this post?

I'm saying that they are not stupid posts, like what a true burn out would post.

(20/04/2011 10:19 AM)xero1 Wrote: The people that that have never and will never smoke weed tend to believe the BS that has been spoon fed to them.

(20/04/2011 12:16 PM)Tetris999 Wrote: Naw, I have never smoked weed and will never smoke weed; I don't even drink alcohol or the likes. Why? It's a drug, it affects your mind and body and whatever you say you cannot deny that it's something that affects you. I'm ok with people indulging in different things and having a fun time, it's not my right to point out how they should live their lives.

But please, many people who do not do drugs are of sound mind; they can make choices, choices of THEIR OWN without being affected by any EXTERNAL agent. I get your idea of indulging in new things, closing off ones mind to new experiences does hamper one's understanding of the world; but this, unfortunately has nothing to do with taking weed.

Indulging in an experience that affects you like any other person is not truth, you're simply a conformist to an indulgence you seem to not want to drop. What is truth? Well, that's simply such a general term that i can't even comprehend as to what you meant by that. I'm a person who likes to live without needing the necessity of relying on a drug to affect my mind in such a way, so i think in a certain fashion. I make my own damn choices free of any external pressure, if I'm affecting myself the way others who have done it a thousand times before; in what ways will that experience make me different from them?

No, I do not take words for granted from people nor do i need to have some external agent to get me to "see the truth" better, i think best when i am myself the chemical processes in my body are controlled by what my body is comprised of and not what I'm feeding into it.

And I'm fine with that. All I'm just saying that I could not date you and have it last. ;)

It's only weed and your unwillingness to even try it once is not what I'm looking for. That's it nothing more then that. I'm sure wee could be friends in real life and get along just fine. But to say something is wrong without ever trying it? You don't think that says something about your state of understanding things?

Anyways, way off topic here I think. Hellgiver understands what I'm saying and that's all that matters.

Did i say it was wrong even once? I didn't, and people don't need touch a fire to know that it'll burn them now do they? Not that I'm comparing weed to a fire, I've seen what it does to others and i don't want that for myself. My state of "understanding things" is that I learn from the world around me, i don't just shut off my mind and do it myself because "that's the best way I'll ever know."

Oh wait, doesn't that sound kinda _open_ to you?

Also people who say weed is bad have legitimate reasons, obviously I don't do research in this sector; which is WHY i suspend my judgement.

Also, you can call something bad relevant to you as a person, you need to respect some opinions (not all, this isn't a general rule). Now if I say weed is bad FOR YOU, that's a different story. People know that smoking gives them a chocolateload of health problems but that's not something they weigh out as "bad" when they compare it to the "good" smoking brings them. When someone tells you that weed is bad because of these reasons, then that's only if you actually care about those reasons.

Man, I can say video games are a waste of time, which is true in a sense; but does that matter to me? No, because I LIKE to waste my time, I LIKE to indulge in fantasy, it makes me feel good. It's bad if I don't like these things.

Also, yes, i know the argument of relevance can be twisted when you try to determine things such as rape and murder are good and bad things; My universal answer to this is that if it doesn't bring any harm to someone else, then it should be ok.

P.s. Sorry hellgiver for derailing a thread, specially when you're pouring your soul into it; just pm and I'll delete all my stuff >_>

Hellgiver · 20/04/2011 04:40 PM

Among the points made, I'd have to say that no I was not referring to weed when I was talking about deeper thoughts. The last example that happened was when wee were driving to eat at a restaurant and wee heard something on the news that made her make the comment that they should just kill all the criminals. Save money on prisons, and the people are not doing what is best for humanity (sorta what she meant i think). Mind you, she is a Criminal Justice major... so I inquired as to how this radical view dealt with individual cases. I said "really? ALL criminals?" she said yes, then I asked what about a person convicted of a manslaughter with no malicious intent? Maybe they were just messing around enjoying each other while on a trail, and he accidentally knocked her off, or anything similar to that? He gets a conviction, and loses a loved one. So he deserves death for it? Or what about a person who got screwed by the piece of spoon bureaucracy wee all so love dearly? I dealt with it when I got into a fender bender, and a friend had a misunderstanding on his state relocation turn into a warrant for his arrest! By definition, he was a criminal, but did he deserve death? She said, well of course not that. So I said how can she make a blanket statement and have exceptions? My point was I was trying to get her to see that it is easiest to look at each case in its own right. However, since such attention would require far too many resources, it is alright to have general outlook, but not necessarily a rule. She just played it off like "yeah, i dunno". That doesn't sit well with me. I wanted to know why just place a random rule to cover specific cases and mistreat all others?

Another instance was that she stated her dislike of me doing weed. I asked why, she said it was illegal. I said that so is going 10 over the speed limit and she does that on a daily basis. She got angry after a bit more talking, and then I stated that I actually do not think weed should be legalized under our current technological capabilities. There is no perfectly definitive way to determine if someone is under the influence of weed at that specific point in a reliable way. Blood tests are the most accurate, but they do not tell if the person is high right then. Saliva swabbing is good for checking for recent use... until an hour later. By that point its reliability drops much lower.

I was then going to talk about the "Theory of mind" which is at play as well. What one might consider "under the influence" is completely subjective from a societal standpoint. In all seriousness, where do they come up with exact numbers for determining a person fails a sobriety test? Are wee all exactly the same in every way? Do wee know exactly how each person's mind functions? One's sensations are just one's sensations, not necessarily comparable to another's experiences, except if examined from a behaviorist point of view. But that view has been, for the most part, obsolete since the 60s with neuroscience. Some parts hold true, such as classical conditioning, but not all do. But wee never even got this far. She responded simply with it is illegal and people do not control themselves correctly, but then why is alcohol legal? Purely because it can be "accurately" measured? So, what if a means of weed testing were developed. Would it suddenly be allowed? If one is allowed, both should be, or else both should be illegal. There are people, like me, who only ever do weed in the comfort of their room on weekends to relax. I would never ever drive or go out high. But she just changes subject. I really just wanted to know what she thought was the reason it was illegal, not why wee are not supposed to. The logic at that point dictates, to me at least, that people can't be trusted. People are idiots. And that is why I do not think weed should be legalized. But wee don't even delve into this? She just stops at the operant conditioning step, and never goes any further. THAT was what I was trying to talk about.

You see I never thought of her as an idiot. She is actually quite bright on occasion, but she has a verrry low self-esteem. She seems dumb at times (maybe she actually is?), but then she does absolutely brilliant deductions, or will have an amazing revelation, and I can't help but give her credit for applying it in other areas. I keep saying that wee are all different, she may not like to think like that or is not able to, another "theory of mind". But apparently this was far too annoying to her. Maybe she felt like I was showing her up? IDK. She was also showing trust issues. I do not buy my weed. My mother gives me some of hers, and so the idea of it being a waste of money for me doesn't hold water either. But, she is absolutely convinced I buy it, and nothing can change her mind. Trust is big with me. That is something that just tears me apart. If there is no trust, then the relationship is already doomed. I'll be okay though.

xero1 · 20/04/2011 05:34 PM

I have found that when people do not understand something fully they don't talk about it and end the conversion. I have been with girls that when I talk about something deep, they role their eyes and don't have anything to say. Some say "are you for real?" Others pretend to understand which always ends in them saying stupid stuff that has nothing to do with anything.

There is a big difference between stupidity and ignorance. Ignorance is a choice and stupidity genetic. People can be smart yet be ignorant, they choose not to understand something. I'm not sure why they do this, but they do. I mean no disrespect Hellgiver, but it sounds like this is the case here.

I have no problems with stupid people, just don't pretend to be smart or be ignorant. One of the best girls I have ever dated was on the dumb side, but she knew it. Wee had so.. much fun... Too bad it didn't work out.

People might think I'm picky but I'm not at all.

Here is what I look for.

Is she ignorant? No = win
Is she fat? (I mean unhealthy fat) No = Win
Is she into a few things I like? Yes = win
Is she funny? Yes = Win

She doesn't have to be supper hot or have a prefect body. I would rather date a girl that people say "yeah she is cute I guess".

junKie · 22/04/2011 09:21 AM

Cheer up man

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Hellgiver · 22/04/2011 02:37 PM

(22/04/2011 09:21 AM)junKie Wrote: Cheer up man

I am glad I feel this way. Means I actually have a heart. More than that, it was my first girlfriend, and now I have the experience I needed to be more confident. I know I can be a wonderful boyfriend, and I want to be a great partner. I just have to meet the girl that makes me melt, I suppose.

Thanks for kind words.

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