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Assassinator · 12/01/2010 03:45 AM

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feinicks Wrote:[off topic] Maybe this just shows that I'm getting addicted to DotA, but words like Tank remind me of Tanking units, then ganks and carry heroes and farming and inventory items... -.-[/off topic]

Lol.

Haven't played Dota in ages. What kind of heros do you usually like playing?

feinicks · 12/01/2010 04:00 AM

Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:[off topic] Maybe this just shows that I'm getting addicted to DotA, but words like Tank remind me of Tanking units, then ganks and carry heroes and farming and inventory items... -.-[/off topic]

Lol.

Haven't played Dota in ages. What kind of heros do you usually like playing?

I just play on Garena now. Noobs (lol.. I'm not pro either, but at least better than many there)...

I like ranged and agi heroes. My fav are drow, luna and razor. (all agi, as you can see). You should check out the new heroes there. Totally imba.

Heartless141 Wrote:bla bla bla, everyone know what tanks in MMOs mean -.-

Good for them then. lol...

Assassinator · 12/01/2010 04:07 AM

feinicks Wrote:I just play on Garena now. Noobs (lol.. I'm not pro either, but at least better than many there)...

Some private server?

feinicks Wrote:I like ranged and agi heroes. My fav are drow, luna and razor. (all agi, as you can see).

You're not an easy mode player are you? No offense, but 90% of people know I know say they like agi heros are em players, because agi heros rape up em.

feinicks Wrote:You should check out the new heroes there. Totally imba.

Dota's usually fairly balanced. Not completely balanced, but nothing's really too imba. Well, at least in standard mode. Unless stuff changed a LOT lately...

feinicks · 12/01/2010 04:18 AM

Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:I just play on Garena now. Noobs (lol.. I'm not pro either, but at least better than many there)...

Some private server?

Garena is not a private server. Its an open server for a lot of popular online games (like Dota, COD:MW2 etc). Essentially, allows you to play not-so-legit games online cause the game's parents are too strict.

Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:I like ranged and agi heroes. My fav are drow, luna and razor. (all agi, as you can see).

You're not an easy mode player are you? No offense, but 90% of people know I know say they like agi heros are em players, because agi heros rape up em.

Lol no. In fact I don't usually play AI, unless its really needed. I like agi heroes cause they are fun, and yes.. they rape like hell. But the most potent heroes are melee strength (like troll and axe),though I usually take the role of a ganker in matches, so an agi hero suits that purpose.

Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:You should check out the new heroes there. Totally imba.

Dota's usually fairly balanced. Not completely balanced, but nothing's really too imba. Well, at least in standard mode. Unless stuff changed a LOT lately...

They are still balanced. These new heroes have been introduced in the latest map (6.65, For your information) and hence they are a little imbalanced. They will be nerfed in the next map, though. Still they are not unnaturally imbalanced. Just that its evident.

Example: Murlock Nightcrawler can go invisible and get regen (4 times normal regen) if away from combat. Plus, he steals attribute points when fighting an enemy hero. So longer the combat, the more you are making him stronger.

Still, this is pretty easily countered.

Assassinator · 12/01/2010 04:31 AM

feinicks Wrote:
Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:I like ranged and agi heroes. My fav are drow, luna and razor. (all agi, as you can see).

You're not an easy mode player are you? No offense, but 90% of people know I know say they like agi heros are em players, because agi heros rape up em.

Lol no. In fact I don't usually play AI, unless its really needed.

Lol, I said nothing about AI...

I'm talking about easy mode. So stuff like -apem or -arem (as opposed to -ap and -ar). Basically in "em" you get way more gold upkeep so it's not as dependent on your laneing skills. Also the towers are weaker and some other stuff.

feinicks Wrote:I like agi heroes cause they are fun, and yes.. they rape like hell. But the most potent heroes are melee strength (like troll and axe),though I usually take the role of a ganker in matches, so an agi hero suits that purpose.

Well, if troll's raping stuff all over the place, then you probably are playing "em".

Normally, troll's not great (you're are talking about troll warlord right?), doesn't have a nuke or any form of disable, so you're going to be quite useless for much of the game (probably just sit neutrals farming all day or something). By the time you farm yourself up a helm and an MKB/Orchids (that's when you're really beast), the game's probably ended already. Even if you do get yourself really farmed, you still can't really chase shit down (no disable/slow/stun), and they'll just aim you.

In em ofcourse, it's a different story, you do rape up stuff, since it's quite easy to get multiple endgames in em without too much effort.

feinicks Wrote:though I usually take the role of a ganker in matches, so an agi hero suits that purpose.

Normally, most agil heros (not all) aren't great at ganking. Most agil heros sit there farming so they can carry later on. Ganking heros are usually heavy nukers and/or disablers. So good gankers are stuff like Lina, Lion, Tiny, Priestess, Nightstalker (at night), Pudge...

feinicks · 12/01/2010 08:59 AM

Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:
Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:I like ranged and agi heroes. My fav are drow, luna and razor. (all agi, as you can see).

You're not an easy mode player are you?  No offense, but 90% of people know I know say they like agi heros are em players, because agi heros rape up em.

Lol no. In fact I don't usually play AI, unless its really needed.

Lol, I said nothing about AI...

I'm talking about easy mode.  So stuff like -apem or -arem (as opposed to -ap and -ar).  Basically in "em" you get way more gold upkeep so it's not as dependent on your laneing skills.  Also the towers are weaker and some other stuff.

feinicks Wrote:I like agi heroes cause they are fun, and yes.. they rape like hell. But the most potent heroes are melee strength (like troll and axe),though I usually take the role of a ganker in matches, so an agi hero suits that purpose.

Well, if troll's raping stuff all over the place, then you probably are playing "em".

Normally, troll's not great (you're are talking about troll warlord right?), doesn't have a nuke or any form of disable, so you're going to be quite useless for much of the game (probably just sit neutrals farming all day or something).  By the time you farm yourself up a helm and an MKB/Orchids (that's when you're really beast), the game's probably ended already.  Even if you do get yourself really farmed, you still can't really chase shit down (no disable/slow/stun), and they'll just aim you.

In em ofcourse, it's a different story, you do rape up stuff, since it's quite easy to get multiple endgames in em without too much effort.

feinicks Wrote:though I usually take the role of a ganker in matches, so an agi hero suits that purpose.

Normally, most agil heros (not all) aren't great at ganking.  Most agil heros sit there farming so they can carry later on.  Ganking heros are usually heavy nukers and/or disablers.  So good gankers are stuff like Lina, Lion, Tiny, Priestess, Nightstalker (at night), Pudge...

lol... Troll is the ultimate towards the end if in the hand of the right player. He is item dependent and does not matter much early on, but if properly equipped, he can take out entire teams (obviously if not well equipped in counters).
However, that was one example. Almost all heroes are cappble of being imba if played properly. For example, ursa warrior can kill roshan alone at level 6, but if stunned, silenced, slowed, then he's dead too.

I usually participate in ganks (if playing with drow, or windrunner or like), not initiate. If I do get mirana, luna etc then yea.. I do initiate them as well. Pudge yea... really nice hero. I even like Huskar, Sand king, Lion...

Not all agi heroes are end game heroes. Drow and Luna are mid-game. Ursa is early to mid (and can carry as well). Razor too is mid game hero. But it really depends on how they are played.

And no.. the only mode I play is -apspso or -apso lol

Assassinator Wrote:
Heartless141 Wrote:also, RPGs, like DMC and stuffs, not Fallout or anything. work better with the dualshock. no exception there.

Yeah, for RPGs, controllers probably better

That really depends on the type of RPG. Dragon Age, for instance just does not feel as awesome on the PS3 as it does on the PC (Played both versions), but Mass Effect does.

Assassinator Wrote:
Heartless141 Wrote:FPS does have more advantages with mouse and keyboard. but Analogs has its advantages too. the consistent moving speed of the crosshair. you can do it with with the mouse, but simply harder.

Don't really see how that's useful, maybe only very few and far between instances. Mouse moves the crosshair to exactly were you need with extreme precision and speed (from years of practice when using Windows normally), that's pretty much exactly what you need with FPS'.

Yeah.. I prefer mouce of controllers for FPS. The precision, the sensitivity etc everything is obviously more beneficial. The only game where I did like shooting using a controller was the Halo series.

Assassinator Wrote:Also I've seen RTS' on consoles before... how to effectively micro your units with an analog controller is still a mystery to me. Also no hotkeys, unit groupings and such.

I think that is done by accessing different menu's and pausing the game while in menu mode. Dunno. Can't remember which game had this.
Frankly s

Assassinator · 12/01/2010 06:59 PM

feinicks Wrote:lol... Troll is the ultimate towards the end if in the hand of the right player. He is item dependent and does not matter much early on, but if properly equipped, he can take out entire teams (obviously if not well equipped in counters).

In the sort of games I play, you'll never get to a stage where you can take out a whole team by yourself.  They'll never just let you sit there farming all day.  Pretty much caster/AoE team rolls you.  Imagine some team like ES, lion, lich, priestess, zeus.  Lane dominate you early game, rape you in midgame and team fights, and you won't get to a late game and/or won't get farmed enough such that troll's any useful at all.

I have nothing against carry heros, but they also need to be useful early-mid game as well. Because for all you know, what if there is no lategame? or what if they rape you so hard early game you just can't farm up the items?  Need something that at least has some form of nuke/stun/slow/orb, so you're not completely useless early-mid, for example, stuff like luna, juggers, drow, nevermore, priestess. My favorite heros are stuff that are strong the whole game, like Lich, very strong laner due to your awesome mana management (dark ritual, nuke sPa/\/\), very strong midgame because your ulti is is like among the best, and still good late game because your ulti still pew pews stuff (especially if you're farmed and you have Aghnims and/or refresher), and frost armor is very useful (stick it on your whole team, adds significant survivability vs their late game carries).

Troll's more an easy mode hero where you farm up 3 endgame weps and roll stuff.  Also somewhat boring to play, not much variety, I mean you just sit there farming or neutralling all day.  So I'll still rather play something like SA/PA/spectre over troll for em, more fun to play.

feinicks Wrote:Almost all heroes are cappble of being imba if played properly.

You must understand... "imba" = imbalanced. If you roll stuff because you played good, that's not imbalance, that's skill.

feinicks Wrote:For example, ursa warrior can kill roshan alone at level 6, but if stunned, silenced, slowed, then he's dead too.

That reminds me, you every tried grouping up with a group of friends and killing Roshan way at the start? Good for some lols, will full surprise the enemy team. Need some stuff to tank, like Syla, and some stuff for dps like veno (wards) or ursa, summon heros are decent for both. All heros rush roshan at start, and then gank mid.

feinicks Wrote:Not all agi heroes are end game heroes. Drow and Luna are mid-game. Ursa is early to mid (and can carry as well). Razor too is mid game hero. But it really depends on how they are played.

Never said all agi heros are late game carries, but the large majority (at least more than 1/2) are. Stuff like viper/drow/clinks are decent at the start, because the orb gives you good lane control. Stuff like lunar/juggers/VS are decent at the start too.

boogschd · 12/01/2010 07:15 PM

Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:lol... Troll is the ultimate towards the end if in the hand of the right player. He is item dependent and does not matter much early on, but if properly equipped, he can take out entire teams (obviously if not well equipped in counters).

Troll's more an easy mode hero where you farm up 3 endgame weps and roll stuff. Also somewhat boring to play, not much variety, I mean you just sit there farming or neutralling all day. So I'll still rather play something like SA/PA/spectre over troll for em, more fun to play.

agree on the troll being boring
ive seen a friend of mine do an entire team with PA spectre and geomancer

the geomancer game was by far the coolest ive seen
he pwned 5 heroes @ the 3rd tower .
next game . they eXx1l3d his geo. then they lost Hihi

Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:Almost all heroes are cappble of being imba if played properly.

You must understand... "imba" = imbalanced. If you roll stuff because you played good, that's not imbalance, that's skill.

imba = players skills Gongxi

lol offtopicness

Assassinator · 12/01/2010 07:27 PM

boogschd Wrote:agree on the troll being boring
ive seen a friend of mine do an entire team with PA spectre and geomancer

By himself without help from other heros? Because if others were helping, it means nothing.

Generally only happens when you completely rape up early game, and you're like 7 lvls higher than everyone or something. Or if you're an extremely powerful endgame hero and you managed to farm up like 4 endgame weps (stop playing easy mode?).

boogschd Wrote:
Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:Almost all heroes are cappble of being imba if played properly.
You must understand... "imba" = imbalanced. If you roll stuff because you played good, that's not imbalance, that's skill.
imba = players skills

Lol, no it doesn't.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=imba

boogschd · 12/01/2010 07:29 PM

Assassinator Wrote:
boogschd Wrote:agree on the troll being boring
ive seen a friend of mine do an entire team with PA spectre and geomancer

By himself without help from other heros? Because if others were helping, it means nothing.

Generally only happens when you completely rape up early game, and you're like 7 lvls higher than everyone or something. Or if you're an extremely powerful endgame hero and you managed to farm up like 4 endgame weps (stop playing easy mode?).

by himself. granted they had a bit of damage but still...

Assassinator Wrote:
boogschd Wrote:
Assassinator Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:Almost all heroes are cappble of being imba if played properly.
You must understand... "imba" = imbalanced. If you roll stuff because you played good, that's not imbalance, that's skill.
imba = players skills

Lol, no it doesn't.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=imba

aww :/
meh its what wee use anyway.. something like "that guy is IMBA! xD"
lol

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