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S7* · 12/09/2009 05:26 AM

wait.

you PREFERRED Air over Kanon? Really? Really?

Wow...

Assassinator · 12/09/2009 05:29 AM

I liked Kanon better too. Actually, I had a massive discussion with Zinga on that sometime back.

ZiNgA BuRgA · 12/09/2009 06:23 AM

Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:wait.

you PREFERRED Air over Kanon? Really? Really?

Wow...

Spoiler:

Vegetano1 · 12/09/2009 07:39 AM

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:
Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:wait.

you PREFERRED Air over Kanon? Really? Really?

Wow...

Spoiler:
Kanon structure:
- Random intro with many highly incidental events
- Screw Girl #1
- Screw Girl #2
- Screw Girl #3
- Screw Girls #4 and #5 (+ main story)
- Random end scene

Air structure:
- Random intro
- Screw Girl #1
- Screw Girl #2
- Screw Girl #3 + main story + other parallel story
- Random ending

So Air is a bit less convoluted (and somewhat more believable to that extent)... I somewhat liked the bonus story (500 years ago thing) in Air too.
Event ordering is a bit screwy too.

Kanon events:
- Girl dies/disappears
- Girl suicides, but lives
- Girl apparently is terminally ill, but looks perfectly fine on the day she is meant to die
- Girl's mum gets seriously injured
- Find out girl didn't die, but stuck in a coma

Air events:
- Girl gets curse lifted
- Girl loses imaginary sister but finds real one
- Girl dies

Other stuff, like how Yuichi acts as a kid (and the other girls for that matter too).

Oh, anyone managed to figure out the musical implications of the episode names? Some I could figure, but most, I can't really find much relationship...

Otherwise, Air and Kanon are very similar in many ways - such as the random jokes inserted, the protagonist who seems a little pissed at everything etc.

shi you had really know how to make a spoiler,. Hihi

haha

S7* · 12/09/2009 07:53 AM

I don't see how youve proven anything saying that Zinga........ a bit too analytical IMO.

Really I don't mind though, I assume you choose the Air story over Kanon........ everyone has their tastes!

ZiNgA BuRgA · 12/09/2009 05:30 PM

Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:I don't see how youve proven anything saying that Zinga........ a bit too analytical IMO.

Really I don't mind though, I assume you choose the Air story over Kanon........ everyone has their tastes!

As you implied, you can't prove tastes, so there is nothing to prove :P

S7* · 12/09/2009 06:14 PM

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:
Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:I don't see how youve proven anything saying that Zinga........ a bit too analytical IMO.

Really I don't mind though, I assume you choose the Air story over Kanon........ everyone has their tastes!
As you implied, you can't prove tastes, so there is nothing to prove :P

I would say, though, having broke down (and spoil it for whoever read the spoiler xD) both Animes side by side Im not sure what you were trying to say...

Wee both know they were done in sequence by the same Visual Novel and Animation studios so what can you expect?

The storys vitality is what kept it going through as many episodes as it did, and it worked (Kanon).

Some people would say Air is much too short........ but some people like it short and strong (or sweet)....... they condensed, and confused the story for viewers toward the end and while someone like me can take it for granted "that's how they wanted it to be" - naturally I prefer Kanons unrestricted story flow... and that flow contributes to the stories emotional aspects... a lot like how Clannad worked (especially After Story - which, by the way, together I rate higher than Air but its hard to choose over Kanon).

And no, I'm not trying to prove anything.......... but I just found it especially odd you served me with what you did instead of a story-related point...

ZiNgA BuRgA · 12/09/2009 06:56 PM

Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:Wee both know they were done in sequence by the same Visual Novel and Animation studios so what can you expect?

You can't really use that as an excuse, lol.

Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:The storys vitality is what kept it going through as many episodes as it did, and it worked (Kanon).

Some people would say Air is much too short........ but some people like it short and strong (or sweet)....... they condensed, and confused the story for viewers toward the end and while someone like me can take it for granted "that's how they wanted it to be" - naturally I prefer Kanons unrestricted story flow... and that flow contributes to the stories emotional aspects... a lot like how Clannad worked (especially After Story - which, by the way, together I rate higher than Air but its hard to choose over Kanon).

And no, I'm not trying to prove anything.......... but I just found it especially odd you served me with what you did instead of a story-related point...

Both series' stories were really done in parts, for example, side story #1 has very little relevance to the main plot (and in fact would work if you took it out).  Thus the ordering of these small stories highly affects the series on a whole, as well as the stories themselves.  After the first story has passed, it affects what you expect of the second story, and somewhat destroys the effect I got.
It's also very easy for story writers to spin out random tragic events, and I personally don't find these very touching.  What I find interesting is the ability to wield these events, rather than just characters getting sad / throwing tantrums as if I'm actually meant to feel sad for them.
Kanon did is alright but I don't feel that it did it exceptionally well.  On the other hand, Air aims to give a more mystical feel than Kanon's emotional feel, and I find that this was done better in Air.

S7* · 12/09/2009 07:08 PM

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:It's also very easy for story writers to spin out random tragic events, and I personally don't find these very touching.

That's so cold... haha. It happens in Air, Kanon and Clannad.... as well as Kiminozo (Rumbling Hearts). The more legitimate the better eh? I'm not so strict. Nothing can be predicted in life ~ hence with this mindset I have a greater sensitivity to tragic events. Real or not real.

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:What I find interesting is the ability to wield these events, rather than just characters getting sad / throwing tantrums as if I'm actually meant to feel sad for them.

Really depends whether you position yourself beside them, or in a spectators seat.
The difference is an important difference to an author I would guess... in all Key VN stories it seems they want to engage you. It worked for me... anyway. (and it obviously worked for more than just one person).

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Kanon did is alright but I don't feel that it did it exceptionally well. On the other hand, Air aims to give a more mystical feel than Kanon's emotional feel, and I find that this was done better in Air.

That implies you preferred it being mysterious (as if you couldn't explain it) compared to something a lot more blatent, as you call it emotional. Both sides are emotional, really, just at different degrees.

I do find it interesting you find the rather oblivious ending-of-story more enjoyable than the up front, blatently clearer one.

ZiNgA BuRgA · 12/09/2009 07:21 PM

Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:That implies you preferred it being mysterious (as if you couldn't explain it) compared to something a lot more blatent, as you call it emotional. Both sides are emotional, really, just at different degrees.

I used the wrong word - should've been "romantic" instead of "emotional".

Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:I do find it interesting you find the rather oblivious ending-of-story more enjoyable than the up front, blatently clearer one.

Not really, in fact, the opposite. Story endings which are left hanging somewhat feel cliché to me.
(okay, lol spoiler) Kanon's ending seems to explain a little more than Air, however seems less resolute and is based upon many things which aren't explained. Also seems somewhat abrupt.

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