Assassinator Wrote:

Senseito Sakura Wrote:XviD4PSP does everything you want.

It puts all others to shame.

Yeah, Xvid4PSP is pretty good. (Even though I don't use it, and use something else instead).

But I won't say it puts all others to shame.

In terms of a Flexible Application for the Task, it does the job. I'd also like to know what else you have in mind.

metalgear08 Wrote:

Assassinator Wrote:Most scene releases, anime releases, that kinds of stuff are pretty optimized encodes done by highly knowledgeable encoders who knows what they're doing (at least I hope so), and by re-encoding (especially fast re-encode), your encode is likely to be inferior to theirs, and you're most likely going to loose quality at equivalent bitrates.

That's why I'm looking for the best program, and I'm going to use it at the slowest speed possible, to keep the quality.

Well, considering that you want to make your vids playable on IPod and PSP at the same time, it may not be possible to get it as good as the original whatever you do. The IPod and PSP have severe restrictions on the level of encoding you can use.  Also restrictions on the frame size.

Slowest speed possible? That's going to take ages. You might be looking at 12+hrs per movie.

The settings I use to encode my movies (from DVDs) takes about 1 whole day (24hrs) for a single movie. (But then again, I'm like a perfectionist. ).

metalgear08 Wrote:

Assassinator Wrote:Yeah, Xvid4PSP is pretty good. (Even though I don't use it, and use something else instead).

But I won't say it puts all others to shame.

If you can give me the names of any better ones, please do :)

XviD4PSP is probably your best option (that I know of).

I said that comment because.

1) It's dependent on what you're looking for. Someone looking for the best encode, someone looking for the simplest way to make an encode, someone looking <insert whatever here> will have different opinions on what is good or not.

2) There may be better. You never know. So you can't just say "this pwns all", when you don't know "all".

3) "Puts all others to shame" to me means it is WAY better than all other alternatives. Not WAY better.

Senseito Sakura Wrote:In terms of a Flexible Application for the Task, it does the job. I'd also like to know what else you have in mind.

I'd like VBR audio (not ABR).

Also dislike .NET applications, but I guess not much can be done about that...

Assassinator Wrote:2) There may be better. You never know. So you can't just say "this pwns all", when you don't know "all".

3) "Puts all others to shame" to me means it is WAY better than all other alternatives. Not WAY better.

Aww, don't criticise that - it's just a saying/expression.

(This post was last modified: 27/06/2008 03:28 AM by ZiNgA BuRgA.)

Senseito Sakura Wrote:In terms of a Flexible Application for the Task, it does the job. I'd also like to know what else you have in mind.

I use MeGUI, only because it gives me more freedom. Flexibility as you put it. It gives like as much flexibility as you would get using the encoding tools separately though the command line.

Like for example, And so MeGUI isn't very user friendly (has very little automation), and has a steep learning curve. (But learning it can be quite rewarding. Because effectively, you learn the whole general encoding process.)

For a general user, XviD4PSP is much better.

Assassinator Wrote:

Senseito Sakura Wrote:In terms of a Flexible Application for the Task, it does the job. I'd also like to know what else you have in mind.

I use MeGUI, only because it gives me more freedom. Flexibility as you put it. It gives like as much flexibility as you would get using the encoding tools separately though the command line.

Like for example,

Spoiler for example:

I want to encode 1 anime episode of this DVD of 4 episodes into h.264, with both the audio streams to vorbis. For the video, I want to IVTC and crop, and apply some sharpening and line darkening, resize it to a proper size and denoise it to reduce bitrate. For the audio, I want to downmix the 5.1 surround English stream to 2.0, and increase it's volume to match the volume of the Japanese stream. And I also want to include subtitles, the original 2 vobsub streams extracted form the DVD (full subs and sign only stream), 2 further typesetted .donkey streams, and I want to seperately hardsub the typesetted opening and ending karaoke into the video. And in the end, mux it all together into an MKV file, with chapter information extracted from the DVD and re-named to something that makes sense.

By the way, that's what the encoding of a (good) dual-audio anime release may look like. Fansubs are similar, minus some steps, but harder in getting the video right (because TV caps = lower quality than DVDs, and would require more work (AVS filtering) to get it to look all nice).

This is the kind of stuff that makes me prefer using MeGUI. (Although whichever way, MeGUI or Xvid4PSP alone won't cut it).

And so MeGUI isn't very user friendly (has very little automation), and has a steep learning curve. (But learning it can be quite rewarding. Because effectively, you learn the whole general encoding process.)

For a general user, XviD4PSP is much better.

I'll keep this in mind. Thanks Assassinator for the infos :)

I might add MeGUI is yet another .NET application, and has quite a number of bugs/glitches in it (plus you need to download the initial stuff - double you tee eff??? couldn't they have pre-packed some stuff beforehand?)

(personally use batch scripts » much quicker, since you can copy+paste everything)

(This post was last modified: 27/06/2008 04:11 AM by ZiNgA BuRgA.)

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:I might add MeGUI is yet another .NET application, and has quite a number of bugs/glitches in it (plus you need to download the initial stuff - double you tee eff??? couldn't they have pre-packed some stuff beforehand?)

When I introduced it to you, there were heaps of bugs. That was some time ago. Most bugs gone now.

As for initial stuff downloading... I don't know. Probably has something to do with their update mechanism, which I actually like. Updates are given the same way as you get the stuff at the start. So you don't have to download a new version of the whole thing everything each time there's an update to a particular piece.

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:(personally use batch scripts » much quicker, since you can copy+paste everything)

Depending on how you encode.

If you're just going to do the same thing every encode, regardless of the source, then yes. For that matter, I can write myself a 1-click profile in MeGUI, and it'll do everything from source -» output. Just as easy. But the thing is I don't do the same stuff for every time.

You would use different encoding settings for different media, like for anime, you would use more aggressive x264 in-loop de-blocking than movies. You would use different encoding settings based on the compressibility of the source (Xvid presets anyone?). The AVS filter chain for one encode (e.g. for crappy 80's source) would completely screw over another encode (e.g. clean blu-ray source).

So you would need lots of scripts for each occasion, or to edit your script every time.

And for something like that example I gave, most of the stuff can't be automated. Must be done by hand.