Endless Paradigm

Joomy Wrote: [ -> ]I use an AMD system with no problems at all. I'm calling PEBKAC.

trademark91 Wrote: [ -> ]I've only ever used AMD graphics. Never had any of the issues you're describing.

This thread is a train wreck.

You both use linux systems
Whoever makes the windows drivers was born without oxygen
Also on that note, pretty sure linux handles hardware differently from windows
And you're not rendering games with DirectX or any other windows specific APIs

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]My latop's GPU (Geforce GT 540M) supports CUDA (or at least I think it does) and I never use it.  My desktop's GPU (Radeon 7870) doesn't, and I'm perfectly fine with that too.  You don't really need it.

Please don't say you want to encode videos with CUDA.  Actually, do it so I can laugh at you.

http://www.techpowerup.com/164743/AMD-an...ation.html
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http://forums.adobe.com/message/4359689
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Quote:OpenCL support is for MAC only and is limited to two specific AMD cards. No OpenCL support on Windows machines.

Very groundbreaking indeed this "openCL" technology

Meanwhile...

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]99.99% of people don't care about the absolute performance crown, because unless you're a giant faggot, 150fps and 160fps makes no difference at all.

Value for money is what really matters, and gets in the money.  I don't think AMD is loosing at that.

CPU's Performance/$$$
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=1225

• AMD FX-8150 Eight-Core
  48.45
  
• AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core
  48.37
  
• AMD FX-8320 Eight-Core
  47.19
  
• Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz
  32.69
  

Sure they have the top three performance over price processors
I'll give them that

but on the gpu market
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.ph...480&id=100

• GeForce GTX 480
  21.45
  
• Radeon HD 7870
  17.21
  
• GeForce GTX 660
  16.65
  
• GeForce GTX 570
  16.54
  

nope...
That still goes to the NVIDIA GTX480

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]1. No CPUs have CUDA.  It's a GPU thing.

an NVIDIA exculsive GPU thing

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]2. CUDA isn't used for gaming.

Slushba132 Wrote:Adobe supports CUDA
specifically Adobe Premier Pro (it's actually after effects)
Various CAD software supports CUDA
Photoshop
Other Art Programs

I also do other things

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]3. Nvidia supports OpenCL too.

One more point to NVIDIA

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]tl;dr - You're a retard.  If you want CUDA so much, then buy NVidia?  What's the point of buying AMD, KNOWING it doesn't have CUDA, and then having a huge nerd rage over it afterwards?

Quote:And I know it might seem like I'm just bitching, which I am
But this all basically to say that I'm never buying a single AMD product again
I'm going to buy NVIDIA and Intel products in the future (i.e. as soon as I have the money) but for now, I'm stuck with this chocolatety AMD platform and I'm mad about it...
I don't think a day goes by where I don't feel like chucking these retarded graphics cards out the window...
and if I had the money right now, I'd buy 2 GTX 680's in a heart beat

I put my faith in the wrong company at the time
It's obvious to me now
I'm bitter about it

Zinga Burga Wrote:

Slushba132 Wrote:I just want to walk up to the CEO of AMD look him dead in the face and scream
"WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN DOING FOR 2 WHOLE YEARS?"

Thank god you can't.

Indeed

Slushba132 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:OpenCL support is for MAC only and is limited to two specific AMD cards. No OpenCL support on Windows machines.

Very groundbreaking indeed this "openCL" technology

More like it's Adobe's fault.  If something can be done on Mac, no reason it can't be done in Windows.  Adobe just can't be fucked implementing it, probably because Windows isn't as popular as Mac for graphic designers.

Slushba132 Wrote: [ -> ]but on the gpu market
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.ph...480&id=100

• GeForce GTX 480
  21.45
  
• Radeon HD 7870
  17.21
  
• GeForce GTX 660
  16.65
  
• GeForce GTX 570
  16.54
  

nope...
That still goes to the NVIDIA GTX480

That's because the GTX480 is terrible and noone wants it.  If there is any Nvidia card to definitely stay away from, 480 would be that card.  It's that very 1st generation Fermi card, the one that uses massive amounts of energy and runs loud and hot as hell.

I mean it uses so much power your power bill will easily make up for the cheapness of the card.  Power also translates into heat which translates into noise from the fan spinning faster.

Note: GTX 295 and Radeon 5970 are both DUAL GPU cards (internal crossfire/SLI), and both perform better than the 480.  I mean when a single GPU card is eating more power than dual GPU cards, you know you should stay away from it.



By the way: if you need CUDA all the time, you should probably look into Nvidia Quadro cards.  Those are designed for professionals who use it for the stuff you listed, and have far superior CUDA performance compared to any gaming oriented card.

Joomy Wrote: [ -> ]I use an AMD system with no problems at all. I'm calling PEBKAC.

Jooms are you on linux ?

trademark91 Wrote: [ -> ]I've only ever used AMD graphics. Never had any of the issues you're describing.

This thread is a train wreck.

Trade you also use linux ? wich card you have from ati?

I used to have a 4650, now I've got a 6480.

Oh dear... is all I will say >.< I mean sure it's somewhat of anecdotal evidence but dear god either you got terribly unlucky or do something wrong o.o I had numerous AMD cards, a x1600xt, a 4850, a 5770 and now a 6850 and I maybe had like four driver issues in all the years^^ The first one I can remember was CoD: MW2 stuttering on launch-day but on the next day there was already a driver-update that fixed it, another time they broke the "digital vibrancy" setting which was also fixed again but that's all I remember so far >.<

And it's not like nVidia is totally problem free, when I build a PC for a friend with a GTX 660 Crysis 3 would every now and then crash with a error like "DX_RENDER_DEVICE removed" or something like that, a error I never saw so far on my 6850 and likewise another friend of mine constantly complains about PhysX not updating properly whenever he does a driver update, I would say both companies have equally solid drivers and errors on both sides are more likely to be caused by programming flaws in individual applications and/or a user error^^;;

Oh and I also remember reading a article that nVidia's great great PhysX would run fine on AMD cards as it is sans three minor nVidia-specific instructions that could easily be fixed but nVidia willingly chose not to. AMD could have done the same with TressFX but instead they let non-AMD users enjoy it too which was a great move by them! :D And at the same time I wonder, is there actually anything that CUDA can do that OpenCL can't? (Especially since AMDs Direct Compute performance is higher than nVidia's...) I can somewhat understand why DirectX is preferred to OpenGL but why not use open-standards when it comes to something relatively minor like this? >.<

I know I might sound like a AMD fanboy but I'm not one, actually I always preferred nVidia in the past though the great money-value in AMD products made me switch when I built my first own PC and the only thing I'm against is blaming a company for something without having proof it's actually their fault as the problem can easily be somewhere else with highly dynamic things like PCs^^

Also before I forget it I also never had trouble with AMD/ATI and Linux with Ubuntu, Mint and Sabayon so I guess I just got lucky

Slushba132 Wrote: [ -> ]They've like completely given up on processors...
They are trying to make APU's (which are chocolatety IMO) why force one chip to fail at everything when you can just have a CPU and a GPU that both do what they do flawlessly

APUs do a fantastic job in laptops and smaller platforms, desktop AMD CPUs are rock solid, and seeing as AMD are both GPU and CPU now (with the acquisition of ATi), why wouldn't they push APU development? They're a business first, not your best buddy.

Slushba132 Wrote: [ -> ]They don't support CUDA

Because CUDA is an nVidia Technology, you asshat.

Slushba132 Wrote: [ -> ]instead they use openCL this chocolatety unheard of thing that NOBODY NOBODY uses... Unless your name is AMD

OpenCL is used on Mac, and OpenGL is still supported by all AMD APUs and GPUs, up to OpenGL 4+, which is pretty cutting-edge. They also support DirectX, obviously.

Slushba132 Wrote: [ -> ]I continue to see CUDA support everywhere, from everyone, and even though AMD has the ability to go ahead and except it, they want to be retarded and go their own way with some chocolatety half-assed technology that nobody supports

I don't know what you're on about here, just because nVidia cards sport CUDA cores, doesn't make proper end ATi/AMD GPUs rubbish. You're just whining because you don't have another technology to show off over.
And if you actually knew what you were talking about, CUDA is just a technology that pushes CPU work onto the GPU, which is what AMD APUs do, and do very well as the CPU/GPU combo allows for minimal latency between components.

Slushba132 Wrote: [ -> ]It might not seem like a big deal, but as a person who spent all this money on these chocolatety dead weight bricks that AMD calls graphic cards, I'd like to be able to use them to their full potential to do things that I see lower end NVIDIA cards doing...

You bought your card 2 years ago, a lot has changed since then. I have an Intel i7 in my desktop, and an AMD X3 Phenom with an ATI Radeon in my laptop, both are rock solid and powerful.

Slushba132 Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to say, more to AMD personally
AMD, how do you think this makes me feel?
I trusted you and you've essentially told me
HEY THANKS FOR THE MONEY :D
NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF

Technology updates itself, if you didn't want to get something that goes out of date, like ALL computing equipment, don't buy a computer or any components.

Slushba132 Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone else understand what I'm saying or feel the same?

No, you're an idiot.

Jesus christ your blog should be called "Slushba's whiny emo meatbun first world problems blog"

+1^

Also, I run Windows. From my experience, the Catalyst driver has always been just fine. The one for Linux varies in stability from distro to distro (and is absolutely fudged up beyond all recognition on Debian systems). Also, too lazy to get a proper benchmark.



AMD A6 APU with a Radeon HD 6520G.