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Tetris999 · 12/06/2012 07:05 AM

If there was a person that you wanted to talk to (pertaining to divulging into their SECRETS of how they accomplished whatever work they accomplished), which one would it be?

For me (from homebrew at least) I think I'd love to talk to Exophase, the guy seemed like he really knew his stuff when he whipped out his GBA emulator on the psp, which destroyed in it's performance compared to all other emulators out there.

Unfortunately though, the greatest minds always seem so hard to get information from/talk to, so most of the time your learning aspects come from what they've left behind.

I still look over gpsp and have no idea what or WHERE the program even starts, I wish I could create programs like this, but I'm far off from doing anything remotely as complicated.

Oh well, back to my plethora of textbooks I guess.

diego · 12/06/2012 07:28 AM

Terrence Malick. But that will never happen.

Slushba132 · 12/06/2012 10:01 AM

They are probably really great at what they do because they spend all their time doing it as opposed to talking to people about doing it

Kuu · 12/06/2012 11:03 AM

Jesus.

eKusoshisut0 · 12/06/2012 11:31 AM

Definitely Nikola Tesla.

DataKRASH · 12/06/2012 11:52 AM

There's absolutely no one I want to ask about anything.  That's probably because I like to figure things out for myself.

I was talking to a friend one time, and I asked them if they ever asked anyone for help when they had reached a rough spot with *******.  They told me, "Yeah, I had one problem with something, so I asked someone, 'how do you make ******?' and their response was for me to fudge off.  Now I don't need help with anything regarding **** ********, because I know it like the back of my hand, since I figured it out myself."

That person also said, that people ask them for help all time regarding what they do, but their response is always, "Figure it out yourself".  Which I thought was hash at first, but it makes sense, because if they've spent hours, days, weeks, months, and years, doing what they do with absolutely no help.  Then anyone else can do it too.

weterr123 · 12/06/2012 02:11 PM

(12/06/2012 11:31 AM)eKusoshisut0 Wrote: Definitely Nikola Tesla.

^^That would be very interesting...

(12/06/2012 11:52 AM)DataKRASH Wrote: There's absolutely no one I want to ask about anything.  That's probably because I like to figure things out for myself.

I was talking to a friend one time, and I asked them if they ever asked anyone for help when they had reached a rough spot with *******.  They told me, "Yeah, I had one problem with something, so I asked someone, 'how do you make ******?' and their response was for me to fudge off.  Now I don't need help with anything regarding **** ********, because I know it like the back of my hand, since I figured it out myself."

That person also said, that people ask them for help all time regarding what they do, but their response is always, "Figure it out yourself".  Which I thought was hash at first, but it makes sense, because if they've spent hours, days, weeks, months, and years, doing what they do with absolutely no help.  Then anyone else can do it too.

^^You raise some interesting points, and for the most part, I agree. There are people out there who just figure mad spoon out and make a revelation, and think that 'tough love' (it is essentially the same idea if someone asks for help) will be for the best.

However, I pose this to you: If people did not share information and were selfish with absolutely everything, how far back do you think, for example, the PSP Homebrew scene would be?

Anyway, my answer is:

DERREN BROWN.

Fucking genius.

Tetris999 · 12/06/2012 02:18 PM

(12/06/2012 10:01 AM)Slushba132 Wrote: They are probably really great at what they do because they spend all their time doing it as opposed to talking to people about doing it

There is some truth to that, but I've never met someone that spends all their day saying that they'll do something.

The reason why things appear to get "finished" is because they didn't even give you a notion of where they were.

Usually these devs are older than us.

(12/06/2012 11:03 AM)Kuu Wrote: Jesus.

Oh man definitely.

(12/06/2012 11:52 AM)DataKRASH Wrote: There's absolutely no one I want to ask about anything.  That's probably because I like to figure things out for myself.

I was talking to a friend one time, and I asked them if they ever asked anyone for help when they had reached a rough spot with *******.  They told me, "Yeah, I had one problem with something, so I asked someone, 'how do you make ******?' and their response was for me to fudge off.  Now I don't need help with anything regarding **** ********, because I know it like the back of my hand, since I figured it out myself."

That person also said, that people ask them for help all time regarding what they do, but their response is always, "Figure it out yourself".  Which I thought was hash at first, but it makes sense, because if they've spent hours, days, weeks, months, and years, doing what they do with absolutely no help.  Then anyone else can do it too.

I agree with you in the context of asking how to learn a topic, as to how to approach a body of topics is a different matter.

I think the thing that people need to share with others is WHERE they get their information from or WHAT they should look at specifically to understand a topic, moreso than how they did something (this does nothing for the educational aspect for a person most of the time).

A good example are some people that I helped in my later object oriented class (I went over my code with them) are having difficulties now in our data abstractions and structures class over the object oriented programming part. Apparently they haven't learned anything and are asking me the same/trivial questions about the stuff they should've learnt in the later class (example, how does a constructor work, which I would say is one of the core things you should understand about OOP if not programming).

It just surprises me that school is so skewed in representing what someone actually knows, some people just answer questions and others understand them, the numbers never differentiate between that. I always try to avoid this trap, you can usually tell when you're just repeating something what someone else said and when you're actually making the words for your own.

While this may sound a bit hypocritical pertaining to my durr google it post, it's kind of a different matter if the person doesn't want to understand something and simply just wants an answer to it, usually understanding the intention of someone is hard, but usually you can tell them apart by the ones who keep on asking questions and the ones who are satisfied with one answer.

 I've read over this post several times and I still feel like there's some loophole to what I've just said, but I'm too tired to fix it :/

(12/06/2012 02:11 PM)weterr123 Wrote:
(12/06/2012 11:31 AM)eKusoshisut0 Wrote: Definitely Nikola Tesla.

^^That would be very interesting...

DataKRASH · 12/06/2012 02:35 PM

(12/06/2012 02:11 PM)weterr123 Wrote:
(12/06/2012 11:52 AM)DataKRASH Wrote: There's absolutely no one I want to ask about anything.  That's probably because I like to figure things out for myself.

I was talking to a friend one time, and I asked them if they ever asked anyone for help when they had reached a rough spot with *******.  They told me, "Yeah, I had one problem with something, so I asked someone, 'how do you make ******?' and their response was for me to fudge off.  Now I don't need help with anything regarding **** ********, because I know it like the back of my hand, since I figured it out myself."

That person also said, that people ask them for help all time regarding what they do, but their response is always, "Figure it out yourself".  Which I thought was hash at first, but it makes sense, because if they've spent hours, days, weeks, months, and years, doing what they do with absolutely no help.  Then anyone else can do it too.

^^You raise some interesting points, and for the most part, I agree. There are people out there who just figure mad spoon out and make a revelation, and think that 'tough love' (it is essentially the same idea if someone asks for help) will be for the best.

However, I pose this to you: If people did not share information and were selfish with absolutely everything, how far back do you think, for example, the PSP Homebrew scene would be?

I don't necessarily agree with that person's "tough love" approach, even if wee are friends.  I asked that same person for help regarding one line of CSS, since I'm basically a n00b when it comes to that.  Looking back on it, I would have never asked that person, because even though I spent hours editing that CSS (hours only because my browser kept crashing, and I had to start all over again >.>) they pretty much wanted to take credit for the whole thing, even though I just wanted to make the container transparent (which, at the time, I didn't know was the container until I asked them, but it turns out a simple Google search would have given me my answer, but I asked them since they were knowledgeable in that area, and it seemed like they would know best).  Though, that person knows more than just CSS, and what they had trouble with at the beginning of what they accomplished had something to do with something else.

Also, I have a hard time asking people for help, because not everyone is nice enough to help you.  Which is why I don't ask for help with anything in the first place.  I'm not saying it's wrong to ask for help, I'm just saying that not everyone is going to be so open and willing to help you, and even if they are, they might want to take credit for anything that you accomplish after that, even though they helped you with something so small.

I think it's great that people shared information with each other in the PSP Homebrew scene, but not everyone has shared what they've done.  They really have no reason to share anything, since it's their work, and if they figured out how to do it, then I'm sure some other hacker or developer can do the same thing.

Tetris999 · 12/06/2012 02:40 PM

(12/06/2012 02:35 PM)DataKRASH Wrote: Also, I have a hard time asking people for help, because not everyone is nice enough to help you. Which is why I don't ask for help with anything. I'm not saying it's wrong to ask for help, I'm just saying that not everyone is going to be so open and willing to help you, and even if they are, they might want to take credit for anything that you accomplish after that, even though they helped you something so small.

heh, same, but that's usually because I ask questions that aren't simply answered most of the time (they're usually on a grand scale, like what steps do I need to code an emulator or what information I need before heading into game design etc).

The only time I'll ask a question is if the documentation regarding the said information is totally borked and needs a human to explain it. Usually my remedy to this is just another book, but asking someone can really ease the pain of having to search through a chocolateton of information.

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