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boogschd · 19/10/2010 10:30 PM

well yeah im planning on replacing my old desktop
not planning on building an over the top harcore station cause i don't have much
but yeah .. id like something that's "ok" :p

so far ive got my eyes set on an intel I5 750 core

GTX 460 ?

maybe a 320 sata for a system HDD and a 750-1tb for secondary storage

4gb (2x2GB) DDR3 pc12800

a proper mouse and keyboard - not really that important. for as long as they work and handle fine
a 23" screen . idk ?
.. that's what ive got so far..
budget maybe around 700-900USD
havent really visited the local shops here so prices and product availability may vary

any inputs?
alternatives?
comments are most welcome :D

Assassinator · 19/10/2010 11:16 PM

That looks fine.

Well... depends on your purpose. What are you going to use your machine for?

ZiNgA BuRgA · 19/10/2010 11:30 PM

(19/10/2010 10:30 PM)boogschd Wrote: so far ive got my eyes set on an intel I5 750 core

i5 760 _should_ be very similar in price.
Actually, Intel wholesale them at the same price, but some stores might discount the 750 to get rid of old stock.
Otherwise, there's not too much difference between the two, especially if you're overclocking.

(19/10/2010 10:30 PM)boogschd Wrote: maybe a 320 sata for a system HDD and a 750-1tb for secondary storage

Considering the rest of your build, I might recommend a small Sandforce controller based SSD (32-64GB) instead of the 320GB system drive. It is a fair bit more expensive though.
I probably wouldn't get a 320GB, especially since 500GBs are like around $3 more over here.

(19/10/2010 10:30 PM)boogschd Wrote: 4gb (2x2GB) DDR3 pc12800

Get cheaper RAM. RAM speeds mean almost nothing these days of high cache CPUs.

(19/10/2010 10:30 PM)boogschd Wrote: a 23" screen . idk ?

That size seems fairly standard these days. I'd try to get a 16:10 monitor.

(19/10/2010 10:30 PM)boogschd Wrote: any inputs?
alternatives?
comments are most welcome :D

Personally would cut the GPU down to a Radeon 5770 (-$40) or wait for the Radeon 6850 to become cheaper.
Cheaper RAM as suggested (-$21).
And cut CPU to a Phenom II X4 955 (-$55)

Taking out a 320GB HDD (~$40), use the savings for a decent 60GB SSD, and you save $31 overall with these changes.

boogschd · 20/10/2010 12:25 AM

(19/10/2010 11:16 PM)Assassinator Wrote: That looks fine.
Well... depends on your purpose. What are you going to use your machine for?

photoshop . gaming .. id like to try GTAIV once and for all . lolz
starwars force unleashed and some of those new FPS & RTS games i havent tried yet

(19/10/2010 11:30 PM)ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: i5 760 _should_ be very similar in price.
Actually, Intel wholesale them at the same price, but some stores might discount the 750 to get rid of old stock.
Otherwise, there's not too much difference between the two, especially if you're overclocking.

that depends on the local prices. lolz . ill take note of that :p

(19/10/2010 11:30 PM)ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: maybe a 320 sata for a system HDD and a 750-1tb for secondary storage

Considering the rest of your build, I might recommend a small Sandforce controller based SSD (32-64GB) instead of the 320GB system drive. It is a fair bit more expensive though.
I probably wouldn't get a 320GB, especially since 500GBs are like around $3 more over here.

SSD's .. theyr a bit expensive from where i come from . plus the reason i made the system drive big is because ill be installing some games that require large disk space .

or am i just being stupid ? :p

(19/10/2010 11:30 PM)ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: Get cheaper RAM. RAM speeds mean almost nothing these days of high cache CPUs.

1033 instead of 1600 . got it. do you think 4gb is fine or do i go for 6-8?

(19/10/2010 11:30 PM)ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: Personally would cut the GPU down to a Radeon 5770 (-$40) or wait for the Radeon 6850 to become cheaper.
Cheaper RAM as suggested (-$21).
And cut CPU to a Phenom II X4 955 (-$55)

Taking out a 320GB HDD (~$40), use the savings for a decent 60GB SSD, and you save $31 overall with these changes.

havent had any experience with amd + ati systems lolz .. past computers i had are intel+nvidia :D
does it really matter though ?
but that 5770 does look/sound nice

i don't have a MoBo yet! xD
PSU - 550w-600watts ok ?

Assassinator · 20/10/2010 01:47 AM

(20/10/2010 12:25 AM)boogschd Wrote: SSD's .. theyr a bit expensive from where i come from . plus the reason i made the system drive big is because ill be installing some games that require large disk space .

or am i just being stupid ? :p

You can always install the really big stuff to the storage drive instead, if it's the space you're worried about.

But if you want this for heavy gaming, then I personally won't downgrade the performance parts (CPU, GPU) to squeeze out money for an SSD.

(20/10/2010 12:25 AM)boogschd Wrote: havent had any experience with amd + ati systems lolz .. past computers i had are intel+nvidia :D
does it really matter though ?

There isn't any difference with CPUs. Every program that works for Intel also works for AMD.

As for ATI instead of NVidia, you miss out on some of the NVidia exclusive stuff like CUDA and hardware PhysX. But unless you have a specific need of them, it probably doesn't matter.

(20/10/2010 12:25 AM)boogschd Wrote: PSU - 550w-600watts ok ?

Yeah.

ZiNgA BuRgA · 20/10/2010 02:06 AM

(20/10/2010 12:25 AM)boogschd Wrote: SSD's .. theyr a bit expensive from where i come from . plus the reason i made the system drive big is because ill be installing some games that require large disk space .

or am i just being stupid ? :p

IMO, having separate system and storage drives aren't that necessary, unless you concurrently use both a lot. In fact, smaller hard drives are generally slower than larger ones because of lesser platter density, and smaller cache, although latencies (the most important factor) will remain the same.
For fragmentation prevention, partitions are enough to solve that.

SSDs just make your system feel snappier in general (ie much faster load times). They won't increase your FPS or PS rendering speed, but can make your games/PS load faster, as well as in-game levels etc.
Whether you get one or not depends if you're willing to trade off these speed gains with some loss in FPS.

(20/10/2010 12:25 AM)boogschd Wrote: do you think 4gb is fine or do i go for 6-8?

Depends on your usage, but practically nothing stopping you from adding more later anyway.

roberth · 20/10/2010 02:17 AM

I would stick with the 460 personally. I recently bought one, and its abeast of a card, especially for its proce range (the 768MB one at least, which youve got there). The ATi cards always suffer from dodgy drivers for the first 6 months - 1 year in my experience, and the 5770 was no exception, as i returned it to get the 460

other than that, i agree with what every one else is saying: Faster RAM is pointless, as is any drive size below 500GB in terms of efficient cost per GB, at least here in the UK, where i'd even go as far as to say on TB drives offer decent value (but by god, do they, theyre about £40-45)
And i would reccomend against an SSD,personally.They are quick, but they arent a cost effective speed boost, unless you really have the money to burn

ZiNgA BuRgA · 20/10/2010 02:45 AM

(20/10/2010 02:17 AM)roberth Wrote: The ATi cards always suffer from dodgy drivers for the first 6 months - 1 year in my experience, and the 5770 was no exception, as i returned it to get the 460

The 5770 is a pretty popular card, and it's been out for about a year now, so I do find it a bit hard to believe you having much driver issues... (what was the issue with yours?)
Though I do probably prefer nVidia drivers over ATI's.

If you're not going to get an SSD, I'd just go for a single 1TB or 1.5TB 7200rpm drive for everything and not bother with a system drive.

If waiting is an option, I'd probably consider that too.

CPU: Intel Sandy Bridge and AMD Bulldozer are set to release in 2011
GPU: AMD just released its Radeon 6xxx series cards, which currently have the new tech premium, but should affect GPU prices in some way soon enough. Maybe AMD's Llano APU may have some effect on this too, though probably only at a low end market
HDD: WD just released a 2.5TB and 3TB drive; although likely to remain a premium product, it may affect HDD (and possibly SSD) prices overall, especially when the competition catch up. This may also start to signal the switch to UEFI motherboards (as the current BIOS system can only boot off MBR partitions, which are limited to 2TB).
Motherboard: as stated, UEFI motherboards are set to come out in 2011, but perhaps more importantly, Intel SB uses an incompatible socket to current Intel mobos. Not sure about AMD's compatibility for Bulldozer. Also, hopefully USB3 and SATA3 are more prolific by then.

So some interesting developments, which a build in 2011 may be able to take advantage of.
I think SSDs are likely going to remain a premium product for some time, but on the other hand, there's more competition in the SSD market than for most other PC components, so this may not be the case.

S7* · 20/10/2010 02:57 AM

(20/10/2010 02:17 AM)roberth Wrote: I would stick with the 460 personally. I recently bought one, and its abeast of a card, especially for its proce range (the 768MB one at least, which youve got there). The ATi cards always suffer from dodgy drivers for the first 6 months - 1 year in my experience, and the 5770 was no exception, as i returned it to get the 460

That's reassuring. I'll probably be getting the 1GB version but nevertheless it seems to be the favourite at the price point.

roberth · 20/10/2010 05:45 AM

(20/10/2010 02:45 AM)ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:
(20/10/2010 02:17 AM)roberth Wrote: The ATi cards always suffer from dodgy drivers for the first 6 months - 1 year in my experience, and the 5770 was no exception, as i returned it to get the 460
The 5770 is a pretty popular card, and it's been out for about a year now, so I do find it a bit hard to believe you having much driver issues... (what was the issue with yours?)
Though I do probably prefer nVidia drivers over ATI's.

Worse performance than a 9600GT was all, but in two cases, so if it was a dodgy card both times i must have been insanely unlucky, but everyone i spoke to said that the card was well known to underperform thanks to the drivers, and knowing ATi's drivers, i was inclined to agree with their diagnosis, it did seem to be the case.

(20/10/2010 02:57 AM)S7* Wrote:
(20/10/2010 02:17 AM)roberth Wrote: I would stick with the 460 personally. I recently bought one, and its abeast of a card, especially for its proce range (the 768MB one at least, which youve got there). The ATi cards always suffer from dodgy drivers for the first 6 months - 1 year in my experience, and the 5770 was no exception, as i returned it to get the 460

That's reassuring. I'll probably be getting the 1GB version but nevertheless it seems to be the favourite at the price point.

The 1GB didnt get a price drop to the same extent that the 768MB version did, which is why i mentioned it specifically. £40 drop from £160~ to £120~, and is generally being shipped at 800Mhz base instead of 600, and easily pushes past that if you didnt get one OCed. The 1GB version is still extremely competetive for its price point, it was just the value on the 768MB is a joke atm,so :)

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