Im actually going to print of this thread for my discussion next week, as im gonna miss it this week


This should really throw her off guard....perfect

I don't really believe in God, because I think it is absolutely impossible for someone to create themselves and "speak" a whole universe into existence.  I've saw this show on the History channel once about them finding the spear that pierced Jesus when he was crucified.  How can that be possible?  How would they know if that was his blood?  They don't have Jesus' blood laying around anywhere.  Also the blood on that spear would be so granulated by this point you wouldn't be able to test it.  If you can't test blood from a murder that happened 20 years ago, what the hell makes them think that they can test the blood of something that happened 6000 years ago?  There's just so much inconsistencies in religion that I stopped believing in God and Jesus when I was twelve.  I'm agnostic now, and I don't believe in religion anymore.  I don't go around and persecute people for believing in God, though.

I believe that people have their own thoughts and views on just who "God" is.  And they do.  That's why there is so many different religions out there.  Like "Christianity" they believe that their religion is the only way to go, (especially the Baptists) and if you don't convert, you'll die and go to hell or when "Rapture" comes Jesus will you leave you behind.  I know this because my Grandfather always tells me this.  Wee had gotten into an argument about last night actually.  He finally calmed down and let me decide what path I wanted to choose once I explained to him what being "Agnostic" was, rather is...

Though they're a lot of different religions out there that believe theirs is the only way to go like, Islam and such.  I haven't really studied all enough to issue anymore statements or opinions about them.  Like I said, I don't really persecute people for their religious beliefs.  I just think, since there is no clear definition on who "God" is and what "He" really thinks, or if "He" really is a "He", I just can't follow any organized religion.  My grandfather says "You should go by what the Bible says," and I say "Which one?"  He says, "The Holy Bible of the Christians!"  I say, "I've read it.  I just don't believe it.  It doesn't make any sense to me.  There's still so many unanswered questions..."  Then he says, "You don't question the Lord!!"  I shoot back, "Then why give us free will, and the ability to think for ourselves?  Wouldn't he have made us all brainwashed zombies who follow and believe blindly without any question, or any ability to question?  Wouldn't if somebody question him, wouldn't he strike them down or destroy cities like he did back in old days?  If that case Las Vegas, California, and a lot of places would be gone by now.  Almost every comedian or actor or actress would be dead, and others."  He says, "They'll get their's."  I just give up at that point with arguing with him because I get so annoyed.

I just can't believe in a God that would let so much suffering happen in the world.  I just don't like it when people sit back and believe that God is going to solve all their problems, instead of trying to help themselves first.  It's just like what the bible says, "God helps those who help themselves..." That right right there is confusing because I start thinking, "But if I'm helping myself, then I really don't need God, now do I...?" or "But if I'm helping myself, then God didn't really help me..."  I think a lot of people, even the hardcore of the most hardcore of Christians, Muslims, Catholics, Jews, etc.  At some point question the existence of God or an Afterlife.  Me?  I just choose not to believe in either.  Besides, I always had this thought, nobody knows what really happens until they die, and if you have been good the majority of your life, then you should have nothing to worry about.  I don't know... then there's the annoying voice of my Grandfather at the back of my head saying "That doesn't matter!!  You still have to believe in God first!!"  Then I get frustrated and I say "Fuck it all."

Kchan Wrote:

Sick_Demented99 Wrote:I don't really believe in Godl, because I think it is absoulutely impossible for someone to create themselves and "speak" a whole universe into existence.  I've saw this show on the History channel once about them finding the spear that peirced Jesus when he was crucified.  How can that be possible?  How would they know if that was his blood?  They don't have Jesus's blood laying around anywhere.  Also the blood on that spear would be so granulated by this point you wouldn't be able to test it.  If you can't test blood from a murder that happened 20 years ago, what the hell makes them think that they can test the blood of something that happened 6000 years ago?  There's just so much inconsistencies in religion that I stopped believing in God and Jesus when I was twelve.  I'm agnostic now, and I don't believe in religion anymore.  I don't go around and persecute people for believing in God, though.

I believe that people have their own thoughts and views on just who "God" is.  And they do.  That's why there is so many different religions out there.  Like "Christianity" they believe that their religion is the only way to go, (especially the Baptists) and if you don't convert, you'll die and go to hell or when "Rapture" comes Jesus will you leave you behind.  I know this because my Grandfather always tells me this.  Wee had gotten into an argument about last night actually.  He finally calmed down and let me decide what path I wanted to choose once I explained to him what being "Agnostic" was, rather is...

Though they're a lot of different religions out there that believe theirs is the only way to go like, Islam and such.  I haven't really studied all enough to issue anymore statements or opinions about them.  Like I said, I don't really persecute people for their religious beliefs.  I just think, since there is no clear definition on who "God" is and what "He" really thinks, or if "He" really is a "He", I just can't follow any organized religion.  My grandfather says "You should go by what the Bible says," and I say "Which one?"  He says, "The Holy Bible of the Christians!"  I say, "I've read it.  I just don't believe it.  It doesn't make any sense to me.  There's still so many unanswered questions..."  Then he says, "You don't question the Lord!!"  I shoot back, "Then why give us free will, and the ability to think for ourselves?  Wouldn't he have made us all brainwashed zombies who follow and believe blindly without any question, or any ability to question?  Wouldn't if somebody question him, wouldn't he strike them down or destroy cities like he did back in old days?  If that case Las Vegas, California, and a lot of places would be gone by now.  Almost every comedian or actor or actress would be dead, and others."  He says, "They'll get theres."  I just give up at that point with arguing with him because I get so annoyed.

I just can't believe in a God that would let so much suffering happen in the world.  I just don't like it when people sit back and believe that God is going to solve all their problems, instead of trying to help themselves first.  It's just like what the bible says, "God helps those who help themselves..." That right right there is confusing because I start thinking, "But if I'm helping myself, then I really don't need God, now do I...?" or "But if I'm helping myself, then God didn't really help me..."  I think a lot of people, even the hardcore of the most hardcore of Christians, Muslims, Catholics, Jews, etc.  At some point question the existense of God or an Afterlife.  Me?  I just choose not to believe in either.  Besides, I always had this thought, nobody knows what really happens until they die, and if you have been good the majority of your life, then you should have nothing to worry about.  I don't know... then there's the annoying voice of my Grandfather at the back of my head saying "That doesn't' matter!!  You still have to believe in God first!!"  Then I get frustrated and I say "Fuck it all."

I must applaud you (>_<)

you are also driven by will and that's a new point of view to me
from somebody that does not believe in a god

usually they turn away from god just because of facts  (^-^)V

Thanks so much!

double you tee eff is god? :p

MysterySword Wrote:...regardless of whether you believe in God or not, I do believe the idea of God is a necessity in the world. It helped establish base morals for people, and in that respect, helped create a more civilized society. If there wasn't such a unity of morals, too many people would define their own morals, some of which people today would admit to being rather twisted. Einstein, who was an Atheist, also said something similar.

Then there's the fact that science can still not explain everything. How was something formed from nothing? It's completely illogical. So, really, if a person believes in God, they can think logically. And if a person doesn't, and puts their faith that science will one day solve everything, they can think logically as well. I guess, it comes down to what a person really wants to believe.

And by the way, I'm amazed at how civilized this conversation has remained. There's no flaming. Good job, EP :)

EPeople don't flame.


How dare you assume that you...bad word...person

Better?

Lunar Wrote:double you tee eff is god? :p

Just to let you know I meant what's he made out of? but yea whatever...


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