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S7* · 20/10/2009 01:27 AM

trademark91 Wrote:i think you create temporary duplicates of yourself, meaning that you cannot be actually the same person at the same time.
and i also think that if you die in the past, you stop existing in the present.

^ I like this.

Bringing Haruhiisms into the equations (which Im sure are not original idearisms)...

Lets look at time like a piece of string. You can only move forward on this piece of string (since this is the nature of our existance) so in order to go to a previous moment in time... time would have to be "bent".

The string must be guided to end at a certain point in time in order to get there, but the problem here is that you have a timeloop.,,

i.e. you would always end up in the same situation from the point you travelled back in time. This theory in itself has many problems (what is the fate of your past self? can you travel back without inevitably rewinding biologically?) but at least it seems the most pheasible..

[in regards to the "Endless Eight" timeloop - every time Kyon went to sleep and woke up on the final day everything was reset - granted details were omitted but it suggests that you probably would reverse in biological state and forget everything that happened previously..]

ProperBritish · 20/10/2009 01:31 AM

i was wondering how long it'd take for the endless eight to come into the equation :P

S7* · 20/10/2009 01:34 AM

ProperBritish Wrote:i was wondering how long it'd take for the endless eight to come into the equation :P

Im brave enough. Hah.

Fucking haruhi. I really watched all of that without skiping... Facepalm

ProperBritish · 20/10/2009 01:45 AM

as did i, some of my soul has eroded away due to it

Chaos Panda · 20/10/2009 03:18 AM

but in regards to the saving girlfriend from car crash situation, your girlfriend would have already been saved by yourself had you been successful in saving her when you travelled back through time, however then you yourself would have to travel back and save her, creating the loop again.

and how would travelling at a very fast speed make time go backwards?

ProperBritish · 20/10/2009 03:30 AM

Chaos Panda Wrote:but in regards to the saving girlfriend from car crash situation, your girlfriend would have already been saved by yourself had you been successful in saving her when you travelled back through time, however then you yourself would have to travel back and save her, creating the loop again.

and how would travelling at a very fast speed make time go backwards?

the theory of relativity denotes it, as discovered by Albert Einstein. It has been proven too, with atomic clocks. Two were set, one at an airport, and one in a concorde (when they flew). After a month they met the clocks up and the one on the plane was a few seconds behind the one in the airport. The same has happened when people were sent to space, and came back down again, their clocks were always behind a few seconds.

time and space are linked, not independent of each other, hence the so called time-space continuum.

Chaos Panda · 20/10/2009 04:15 AM

ProperBritish Wrote:
Chaos Panda Wrote:but in regards to the saving girlfriend from car crash situation, your girlfriend would have already been saved by yourself had you been successful in saving her when you travelled back through time, however then you yourself would have to travel back and save her, creating the loop again.

and how would travelling at a very fast speed make time go backwards?

the theory of relativity denotes it, as discovered by Albert Einstein. It has been proven too, with atomic clocks. Two were set, one at an airport, and one in a concorde (when they flew). After a month they met the clocks up and the one on the plane was a few seconds behind the one in the airport. The same has happened when people were sent to space, and came back down again, their clocks were always behind a few seconds.

time and space are linked, not independent of each other, hence the so called time-space continuum.

interesting. So it suggests that the speed at which they travelled actually slowed down time?

ZiNgA BuRgA · 20/10/2009 04:32 AM

Vegetano1 Wrote:all coppies won't experience the same things,. so they do not really live forevar<>?

But if you exist throughout time, then you essentially do live forever.

Vegetano1 Wrote:the future dude can't know he is going to die in the past,. since he have't travelt back to the past yet<>? dunno how to assume he can assume this<>?

Yes, future generations know about what happened in the past...

Vegetano1 Wrote:If you time travel will time itself effect you<>?
eg if i would go back to my 5th birthday would i turn 5 again,. ;p

That would be rather useless. No, you yourself experience some different time relative to the rest of the universe. That is, your own notion of time is always going forward, but this going forward isn't in accordance with everything else.

trademark91 Wrote:on a more serious note.
i think you create temporary duplicates of yourself, meaning that you cannot be actually the same person at the same time.

They are different versions of you. For example, you ask a young kid probably acts differently to you as now. Put both in the same time period and what do you have?

trademark91 Wrote:and i also think that if you die in the past, you stop existing in the present.

But the past death is, relatively to your own timeline, in the future, but relative to the rest of the universe, the past.

Senseito7 Wrote:Lets look at time like a piece of string. You can only move forward on this piece of string (since this is the nature of our existance) so in order to go to a previous moment in time... time would have to be "bent".

Alternatively, you just need to change the relative speed at which you travel in time.

I recall reading a theory about having infinite quantum universes, being a possible solution to the "kill grandmother" issue, but the case of knowing a past death is a little different.

Vegetano1 · 20/10/2009 04:44 AM

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:
Vegetano1 Wrote:all coppies won't experience the same things,. so they do not really live forevar<>?
But if you exist throughout time, then you essentially do live forever.

all copy's will live a different live,.. so,. they won't be the same anymore,.>>?

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:
Vegetano1 Wrote:the future dude can't know he is going to die in the past,. since he have't travelt back to the past yet<>? dunno how to assume he can assume this<>?
Yes, future generations know about what happened in the past...

travels to the future>>travels back and will die>>so if he won't travel back and die he can't know this in the future yet<>? because he did't travel back yet,.

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:
Vegetano1 Wrote:If you time travel will time itself effect you<>?
eg if i would go back to my 5th birthday would i turn 5 again,. ;p
That would be rather useless. No, you yourself experience some different time relative to the rest of the universe. That is, your own notion of time is always going forward, but this going forward isn't in accordance with everything else.

it is,. but maybe that is whot will happen if you try,..

ZiNgA BuRgA · 20/10/2009 04:49 AM

Vegetano1 Wrote: all copy's will live a different live,.. so,. they won't be the same anymore,.>>?

Different copy, yes, but it's all essentially you!

Vegetano1 Wrote:travels to the future>>travels back and will die>>so if he won't travel back and die he can't know this in the future yet<>? because he did't travel back yet,.

Use information from other places, ie death records, newspaper etc.

Vegetano1 Wrote:it is,. but maybe that is whot will happen if you try,..

If you travelled into the past and you also turned into your past state - including memories, brain state, etc, then there is no time disturbance, thus no-one really travelled in time...

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