yeah i heard all things talked about above.... late novemeber is what i heard mostly.. so knowing sony maybe sometime around christmas of the 1st of the year it will roll out.... im actually looking forward to it and im very surpriased i didnt get a beta invite because it was supoosed to be based on your usage os the PSN and i bought almost all the games on the psn so far....   mezmerize is cool as hell when your wasted LOL