Just got the CoalGG one.  Image is blurry... :/
But it's the only soft-subbed one between the two, so eh.

(This post was last modified: 22/05/2009 03:16 AM by ZiNgA BuRgA.)

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:

Spoiler for mediainfo dump for DB-LE:

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General Complete name                    : [DB_L-E]_The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_S2_01_[D861B11D].mkv Format                           : Matroska File size                        : 140 MiB Duration                         : 24mn 49s Overall bit rate                 : 787 Kbps Encoded date                     : UTC 2009-05-22 01:09:57 Writing application              : mkvmerge v2.4.1 ('Use Me') built on Dec  5 2008 15:43:32 Writing library                  : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1 Video Format                           : AVC Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec Format profile                   : High@L3.1 Format settings, CABAC           : Yes Format settings, ReFrames        : 8 frames Muxing mode                      : Container profile=Unknown@3.1 Codec ID                         : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Duration                         : 24mn 47s Bit rate                         : 635 Kbps Nominal bit rate                 : 671 Kbps Width                            : 704 pixels Height                           : 396 pixels Display aspect ratio             : 16/9 Frame rate                       : 29.970 fps Resolution                       : 24 bits Colorimetry                      : 4:2:0 Scan type                        : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.080 Writing library                  : x264 core 67 r1153M 7b6ce6a Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=8 / deblock=1:1:1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=0.6:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=16 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=671 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=0 Audio Format                           : MPEG Audio Format version                   : Version 1 Format profile                   : Layer 3 Codec ID                         : A_MPEG/L3 Codec ID/Hint                    : MP3 Duration                         : 24mn 49s Bit rate mode                    : Constant Bit rate                         : 112 Kbps Minimum bit rate                 : 112 Kbps Channel(s)                       : 2 channels Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz Resolution                       : 16 bits Writing library                  : LAME3.98r Encoding settings                : CBR

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Spoiler for mediainfo dump of CoalGG:

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General Complete name                    : [CoalGG]_The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_S2_-_01_[1736ABE8].mkv Format                           : Matroska File size                        : 212 MiB Duration                         : 24mn 36s Overall bit rate                 : 1 203 Kbps Encoded date                     : UTC 2009-05-22 04:16:47 Writing application              : mkvmerge v2.5.2 ('Stranger in your Soul') built on Feb 28 2009 16:12:55 Writing library                  : libebml v0.7.8 + libmatroska v0.8.1 Cover                            : Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes Video Format                           : AVC Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec Format profile                   : High@L3.1 Format settings, CABAC           : Yes Format settings, ReFrames        : 8 frames Muxing mode                      : Container profile=Unknown@3.1 Codec ID                         : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Duration                         : 24mn 34s Width                            : 848 pixels Height                           : 480 pixels Display aspect ratio             : 16/9 Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps Resolution                       : 24 bits Colorimetry                      : 4:2:0 Scan type                        : Progressive Title                            : Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu S2 - 01 Language                         : Japanese Audio Format                           : AAC Format/Info                      : Advanced Audio Codec Format version                   : Version 4 Format profile                   : LC Format settings, SBR             : No Codec ID                         : A_AAC Duration                         : 24mn 36s Channel(s)                       : 2 channels Channel positions                : L R Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz Resolution                       : 16 bits Title                            : AAC 2.0 Language                         : Japanese Text Format                           : ASS Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/ASS Codec ID/Info                    : Advanced Sub Station Alpha Title                            : ASS Language                         : English Chapters Language                         : English 1                                : 00:00:00.000 Prologue 2                                : 00:01:03.438 Part One 3                                : 00:10:55.363 Part Two 4                                : 00:23:31.827 ED

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Can't check the pictures, but the CoalGG encode does look better from the info.

Heh, CoalGG hid their encoding settings. But hey, since retards and/or most bad encoders don't know how to do that, it's probably not a bad thing. But you could also argue that good encoders won't be afraid of people looking at their x264 settings.

One of them is 29.970 and the other is 23.976. Thus one of them most likely fails at encoding. I bet 10% on VFR, 5% on Coalguys, 85% on DB-LE. Reasons:
- They (DB-LE) use CBR MP3 (pft, what self respectable encoder uses CBR MP3)
- They use XviD+MP3 in MKV (the only reason to use XviD + MP3 at all would be because they work in AVI).
- They use 704x396 (not mod16)
- Anime is more than 80% of the time 23.976. And out of the remaining, it's probably more likely VFR than 29.970.

Or.... there's always the possibility that both of them fail at encoding ^.^

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Just got the CoalGG one.  Image is blurry... :/
But it's the only soft-subbed one between the two, so eh.

Spoiler for screenshot:

Thanks to Assassinator, I'm now a lot more picky on these things >_>

Probably means Haruhi has shitty broadcasts.

I see... (weak) haloing.

(This post was last modified: 22/05/2009 03:34 AM by Assassinator.)

Anyway, screenshot of DB-LE:

(This post was last modified: 22/05/2009 04:18 AM by ZiNgA BuRgA.)

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:

Spoiler for assassinator:

^ They hexed their settings:

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x264 - core 67 r1153M - H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec - Copyleft 2003-2009 - http://www.videolan.org/x264.html - options: cabac=0 ref=0 deblock=0:0:0 analyse=0x3:0x133 me=000 subme=0 psy_rd=0.0:0.0 mixed_ref=0 me_range=00 chroma_me=1 trellis=0 8x8dct=1 cqm=0 deadzone=21,11 chroma_qp_offset=-2 threads=0 nr=0 decimate=0 mbaff=0 bframes=0 b_pyramid=0 b_adapt=0 b_bias=0 direct=3 wpredb=1 keyint=250 keyint_min=25 scenecut=40 rc=2pass bitrate=990 ratetol=1.0 qcomp=0.60 qpmin=10 qpmax=51 qpstep=4 cplxblur=20.0 qblur=0.5 ip_ratio=1.40 pb_ratio=1.30 aq=0:0.00

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Not too sure what they did to hide it from medainfo (didn't bother checking) but the above is definitely hexed.  Still, I'm surprised at what they did - I guess they don't know how to remove the info NAL altogether (it's really easy) so they just hexed a few parts (neither did they bother to hex over the whole string).  If they wanted to trick someone else, they should've made it visible in mediainfo at least... (but still lol @ me=000)

Regarding the x264 settings not showing up on MediaInfo... Try deleting any part within that line you quoted in the spoiler (or alternatively, hex any value/s to 00). Will confuse MediaInfo, and it won't display anything. (Look inside your logs, you won't find the x264 version info either)

I assume they removed part of the version info (the highlighted bit of "core 67 r1153 7b6ce6a"). Seems more likely that they didn't know the effects of doing it, rather than it being on purpose, based on their other actions.

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:(but still lol @ me=000)[/spoiler]

They should've changed to me=HAX instead. Hmmm.... Maybe I'll do that when I release something... me=GOD !!!!

(This post was last modified: 22/05/2009 06:36 AM by Assassinator.)

i think the bigger issue here isn't who has better encoding, its why no one has gotten a hold of a good quality raw, its been more than 24 hours already and i can't find a good looking raw yet, well when the hd stations air this I'm sure wee'll get an awesome one, but usually there's one or two good ones by this time

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repost & bump

Leopard Raw's has just released what seems to be a good sized torrent, here's hopes its good quality too and not a chocolateload of filters
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=65625

Seems HQ releases are out now.
CoalGG has a v2, haven't checked it.  Probably better off archiving these new ones.

I should get this and watch it.