Endless Paradigm

--Warning--

This post can (and probably will be) taken as offensive by some of the community. Know that I don't mean any harm with my words as I'm just approaching the topic from a factual point of view. While some statements may be based on logical knowledge or fact, some others are purely self-opinionated. I do not mean to cause any discrimination or judgement upon the matter itself and no harm to those considered to be part of the group being discussed. LEAVE NOW IF YOU ARE AN EMOTIONALLY TOUCHY PERSON, THIS WILL DISTURB YOU.

*ahem* That being said, that paragraph is probably not even long enough to clear my donkey out of hot water

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So I just wanted to drop my line of my opinion on homosexuality. First off, I'm kind of sick of society and groups of people telling others the way they should think. Usually this happens when wee try to steer clear of things that might lead to "dangerous" thought, but in reality I believe it's really the person who will decide upon such things, I think people should be allowed to think of things whether they are dangerous or not and decide upon them accordingly.

So it's obvious that I'm told that I'm a bad person for thinking about homosexuality "in a negative light" because such thinking leads to discrimination, lo and behold~! I do not discriminate against others.

But to be honest, I view homosexuality as a defect on primitive levels. Yeah, quite a bombshell eh? Let me explain. If wee consider a group of people (and not the world at large) who had someone just "born gay" then what would happen is that the said gay person would either:

• Die like any other human being and produce no offspring
  
• Be FORCED to mate with a female, producing offspring that may reproduce said "gay" trait.
  

If wee let alone and allowed everyone in the primitive group to do their thing the former would probably happen and such gay traits would disappear from the genetic pool. In a society where survival is a top priority, especially when one clan needs to have a larger community of clan members, forcing "straightness" is probably what the society would do to facilitate their community with newer members. So as you can see, society would make it that being gay is a defect in a sense as they would probably try the gay person to mate with the opposite sex (or shame them into it).

BUT wee are not at primitive levels any more and producing offspring to facilitate a newer generation has a MUCH lower priority in peoples lives. I don't remember when gay-ness became such a widespread thing (believe me, there are many people who are gay, specially since they can't technically reproduce) so such things have to come from the society itself.

I've talked to a lot of people about it and one of the most interesting points is that gay-ness is produced from a higher society. Why? Because people have a lot of time to experiment with rather secure lives and as human beings, wee are curious to experiment with different things and changing "the norm". Hence I do believe that people can "go gay".

Essentially though, while wee all consider ourselves as highly civilized and educated, primitive traits still do tend to shine through at times (sexual lust, greed, love of eating fatty foods, etc.). It's because of this that I believe where all the hate comes from for gay people, as people do it subconsciously relating back to their primitive times.

What do I think? Well, if wee were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the time when wee were wearing lioncloth, I'd probably discriminate against the said gay person so that he would act like everyone else, gayness isn't exactly something you can see in a person nor is it something preferable in the sense of reproduction and survival of our race.

But, wee live in today's world and that to be honest, I don't really care whether gay people have children or not (then again, as much emphasis is being put upon oneself and not family, it's interesting to see how wee are starting to decline in some areas), therefore I'd have no need to discriminate against them. Hell, I don't even support the fact of getting rid of a gay person because it's also at a primitive level that all members of a community are important, which is probably why the primitive group would WANT the gay person to produce offspring and start a family.

In all seriousness though, I will not look upon being gay as a -non-defective normal thing- because it isn't. People shouldn't feel bad about it though as much about the way I have no bilateral sight. You're born with it, deal with it, just stop telling me that I can't view it as it is.

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This post has not been revised, so take the words lightly as this topic is very touchy.

P.S. This post is fudgeing short for what I would write, so if you feel that I'm not elaborating as much as I need to on some parts, feel free to point it out, I'll be very slow to respond as I'm busy atm. :P

P.S.S. IF YOU HAVE AN ARGUMENT AGAINST MY STATEMENT YOU BETTER NOT HAVE TL;DR'ed MY FRIGGING POST.

Well said Tetris. I agree wholeheartedly.

To clarify my thought, even if it is a case of it being genetic or psychological it is both naturally incorrect but not something to be socially discriminatory over.

Whilst i disagree....i don't think homosexuality is a genetic thing, and thus it cannot be be bred out or bred down

I sorta see where you're coming from in that argument, but psychology is a far greater factor in peoples sexuality than area or genetics, and i do believe that people can "go gay", at least so far as to convince themselves they are(n't), when perhaps subconsciously they are(n't)


Also, i did read the whole thing, but that's the part i disagree on personally, i sorta agree that part of the acceptance is due to a lesser focus on family, such as being able to come out to members who might not accept you, not that this was a reason you raised

Tetris999 Wrote: [ -> ]Essentially though, while wee all consider ourselves as highly civilized and educated, primitive traits still do tend to shine through at times (sexual lust, greed, love of eating fatty foods, etc.). It's because of this that I believe where all the hate comes from for gay people, as people do it subconsciously relating back to their primitive times.

I always believed that people who hate the gays were raised that way...and religion I guess :T

roberth Wrote: [ -> ]Whilst i disagree....i don't think homosexuality is a genetic thing, and thus it cannot be be bred out or bred down

I sorta see where you're coming from in that argument, but psychology is a far greater factor in peoples sexuality than area or genetics, and i do believe that people can "go gay", at least so far as to convince themselves they are(n't), when perhaps subconsciously they are(n't)


Also, i did read the whole thing, but that's the part i disagree on personally, i sorta agree that part of the acceptance is due to a lesser focus on family, such as being able to come out to members who might not accept you, not that this was a reason you raised

Well it IS a very big point that gay people like to raise "I was born this way" therefore I assumed that as fact and derived my statement from the said fact. I haven't proved that gayness is something genetic nor psychological, so I went with the assumption that people like to take on, can't disagree on something I don't have answers to.

Well, not sure if being gay helps my argument or not here but I'm with roberth. I don't think that there's a genetic malfunction that causes one to be homosexual but I don't believe it's a choice either. You either are or you're not.

As far as people hating homosexuals goes, they hate them due to ignorance and/or by being intimidated by gays. Human instinct makes us find new things as strange and different. Wee either then decide to accept these new things or try to get rid of them because they're not within our comfort zone. Religion also plays a huge part in this which is where ignorance comes in. In Christianity, the bible states that a man laying with another is an abomination. Well, according the bible, so is eating shellfish. There was also a talking bush whilst on fire.

I'm not some alien creature. People can't even tell I'm gay just by hanging around me. People online also think I'm a girl. So being gay isn't abnormal unless you let yourself believe it is.

Joomla12 Wrote: [ -> ]Well, not sure if being gay helps my argument or not here but I'm with roberth. I don't think that there's a genetic malfunction that causes one to be homosexual but I don't believe it's a choice either. You either are or you're not.

As far as people hating homosexuals goes, they hate them due to ignorance and/or by being intimidated by gays. Human instinct makes us find new things as strange and different. Wee either then decide to accept these new things or try to get rid of them because they're not within our comfort zone. Religion also plays a huge part in this which is where ignorance comes in. In Christianity, the bible states that a man laying with another is an abomination. Well, according the bible, so is eating shellfish. There was also a talking bush whilst on fire.

I'm going to have to agree with this.

You know what I hate is when people say that you are born gay.... Nobody is born gay or straight..... you choose your sexual orientation subconsciously without even knowing... It also depends on how you were brought up and if you have had any extreme experiences. (Example: being molested)

There is alot of people that have successfully changed their sexual orientation but it takes alot of time and effort.

bsanehi Wrote: [ -> ]You know what I hate is when people say that you are born gay.... Nobody is born gay or straight..... you choose your sexual orientation subconsciously without even knowing... It also depends on how you were brought up and if you have had any extreme experiences. (Example: being molested)

There is alot of people that have successfully changed their sexual orientation but it takes alot of time and effort.

I agree with that. I don't think that if your mother or father is gay, you're already gay. But there is also a possibility that you'd go gay (because of what you inherited, probably, I'm not sure). Yes, it's your decision but you really don't know that you already have decided.

Tetris999 Wrote:If you don't care about family (and if I was a father that didn't care about further generations), I don't see how it would be abnormal to prefer/like something, in which case I'd agree.

Well, if you force a child to bear children against their will, then that's worse than the child being gay. I don't want children because I know that I'd make a terrible father and that's my choice. My parents should respect it.