Poll: Well..

Vegetano1 · 17/02/2010 10:37 AM

feinicks Wrote:
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:You succeed at failing.

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Which is a self-contradictory situation. How can you have failed yet succeeded or succeeded but failed?

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Vegetano1 · 17/02/2010 10:38 AM

Senseito7 Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:You succeed at failing.

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Which is a self-contradictory situation. How can you have failed yet succeeded or succeeded but failed?

Because failing is succeeding either way.

If to fail is succeeding, and you succeed, you've succeeded in failing, which is a success.

dot dot dot

feinicks · 17/02/2010 11:22 AM

Vegetano1 Wrote:
Senseito7 Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:You succeed at failing.

/thread

Which is a self-contradictory situation. How can you have failed yet succeeded or succeeded but failed?

Because failing is succeeding either way.

If to fail is succeeding, and you succeed, you've succeeded in failing, which is a success.

dot dot dot

But when you succeed in failing, the reality is that you have failed and that is in no ways succeeding.

Vegetano1 · 17/02/2010 11:26 AM

feinicks Wrote:
Vegetano1 Wrote:
Senseito7 Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:You succeed at failing.

/thread

Which is a self-contradictory situation. How can you have failed yet succeeded or succeeded but failed?

Because failing is succeeding either way.

If to fail is succeeding, and you succeed, you've succeeded in failing, which is a success.

dot dot dot

But when you succeed in failing, the reality is that you have failed and that is in no ways succeeding.

yeah well,. reality sucks,.. i win!

ZiNgA BuRgA · 19/02/2010 06:43 PM

feinicks Wrote:
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:You succeed at failing.

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Which is a self-contradictory situation. How can you have failed yet succeeded or succeeded but failed?

Example:
"I must fail this test, to prove that I am not a nerd."
You fail the test.
Therefore, you succeeded in your intended action, that is, you succeeded at failing.

feinicks · 20/02/2010 08:55 PM

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:You succeed at failing.

/thread

Which is a self-contradictory situation. How can you have failed yet succeeded or succeeded but failed?
Example:
"I must fail this test, to prove that I am not a nerd."
You fail the test.
Therefore, you succeeded in your intended action, that is, you succeeded at failing.

But that does not change the fact that you have actually failed. Succeeding at failing is not success, its failing. But then ironically, success is attaining the goal, which, in this case, was failing..

wait... what?

ZiNgA BuRgA · 20/02/2010 09:19 PM

feinicks Wrote:Succeeding at failing is not success

Yes it is.

feinicks Wrote:its failing

It's that too.

As far as you're concerned, you succeeded. As far as the exam marker is concerned, you failed. As for others, it depends on whose opinion they favour.
It's both a success and a failure, the difference being interpretation.

feinicks · 28/03/2010 11:52 AM

(20/02/2010 09:19 PM)ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:
feinicks Wrote:Succeeding at failing is not success
Yes it is.

feinicks Wrote:its failing
It's that too.

As far as you're concerned, you succeeded. As far as the exam marker is concerned, you failed. As for others, it depends on whose opinion they favour.
It's both a success and a failure, the difference being interpretation.

Yes. Failing and succeeding is a matter or perception, but perception in our society is based on Social convention. For instance, if you failed at the test to prove that you're not a nerd, that would imply that you did so to "fit in". You have failed because failing a test is in violation of why you gave it in the first place.

Unless of course if Social conventions to you are a matter of mockery, then this argument would be invalid.

But then again, even Newton's laws can be broken.

Vegetano1 · 28/03/2010 11:58 AM

you succeed after you failed,. ;)

feinicks · 28/03/2010 01:24 PM

Do you mean to imply:
Step 1: Fail -» Step 2: Succeed?

If that is so, then this is not a direct conclusion of your actions. Here the steps you took resulted in failure. So the conclusion was that you failed. The idea of that being a success is a post conclusion derivative ergo not connected to the actions.

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