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I agree that spanking isn't always the answer, but that has really started annoying me lately. There are constant stories appearing about parents losing their children because spanking is now defined as cruel and unusual punishment in many courts.  Also, there may not be a majority, but there is definitely a HUGE number of people adhering to the belief that they should coddle their children and not discipline them on certain issues as well as ignoring very specific needs that each child possesses, though some may necessitate more attention than others.  Society has definitely started annoying me in recent years.  

My dad has told me about how it wasn't always like this.  Many people nowadays don't give a rip about anyone but themselves and it is REALLY an annoying attitude for me.  I see this sort of stuff when people talk on their cell phones at the movies or in a restaurant, or don't use their turning signal when driving, or cut you off for no reason, or talk to each other in a movie, and other instances that are off-topic for the moment.  

I really do think that people need to have certain morals reinforced as well as behaviors. I am not saying the parent should force the child to think one way, but certain things NEED to be hammered into that child's head.  Of course, there are some very rotten parents out there that you know are going to either cause rotten children or are going to be an inspiration for that child to want to do better.  I may be ranting a bit, but I really am having a huge problem with how society is acting.  I mean, look at the gratuitous amount of ridiculous lawsuits out there.  It can be the most simple of things and people would prefer to look for a simple 50% chance of hitting the lottery by suing rather than just letting something go.  There have always been cases of assholes, but it seems like it just keeps getting worse.

I guess the reason I originally brought up spanking was because it was one example out of the many that exist in which people are refusing to use their heads.  Now they think the only one who should ever be held responsible is someone who infringes on their comfort zone (or even someone who accidentally touched their comfort zone, but never actually penetrated it), or the government.  There is no one accepting responsibility.  I point to the video games = violence argument.  I am sorry but I don't make the connection.  There might be some subconscious connection that can be made between the two, which might end up making something like seeing a real dead body easier to manage, but I still am not sure.  Once again it is the parents' responsibility to teach their children right from wrong and reality from fantasy.  To say it is the video game's fault is just stupid.  I guess I feel the same way with people who try to sue smoking companies, or fatties who try to sue McDonald's. Are you kidding me? They gave you a choice, and you chose the more hazardous and risky choice.  

Video games are there for recreation, and if you choose to take that to reenact in some sick way such as shooting up some house or killing your neighbor, then you obviously haven't been taught correctly or are just so mentally messed up that someone should have noticed they shouldn't leave sharp objects around you.  I really can't think of a reason someone would do something so horrible as going out and sniping people for fun or doing a school shooting.  Parents ignored them?  That would have to be a huge factor, because my parents always could tell when I was distraught and they explained to me how minute the thing I was sad about truly was.  If they noticed I was being bullied, they helped build my self-confidence by enrolling me in Tae Kwon Do classes.  If the parent can't afford that, they can bring it up with the school, and teacher's can watch for excessive physical violence directed at certain individuals, in this case that child.  

But have you heard that they are banning games like Dodge Ball and Tag at schools because they are too violent?  double you tee eff is happening?  This must be a joke.  If anything, kids need this exercise. Do you remember being about 10 years old and how you could run for hours on end and not get winded? It was lots of fun.  Maybe it is some chubby little shit who keeps getting taken out first in dodge ball or it is the nerdy little guy who gets hurt from the dodgeball and gets taken out right after, but you know how you can fix that?  Don't eat so much and you won't be such a huge frickin target! Actually play and you won't be so frickin scrawny.  Did you know that I used to be the captain of our chess team in Intermediate School, but they ended up stopping us from doing it because the school decided chess was too competitive?  Wonderful, let's just have everyone beat their heads with rocks. God forbid anyone actually do something that would stimulate the mind.  

Whatever, I am done for now..
I think that's primarily the direction large communities (ie large cities) take.
As population grows, rules become more rigid, and people loose their individualism (which causes them to think that whatever they do, has little effect).

I've never lived in rural areas, but I'm sure the environment there is different...
i don't think spanking is a good answer, but i think that in some cases its the best thing that can be done

Sometimes. in the worse cases, a child needs a firm reminder that what they did was wrong...
I added a good bit more to my previous post.  And just to let you guys know, my parents only spanked me if I did one of three things: did something that put myself or another in danger, 'borrowed', or was disrespectful.  Really, I don't think that was such a bad idea on their part.
Hellgiver Wrote:I added a good bit more to my previous post.  And just to let you guys know, my parents only spanked me if I did one of three things: did something that put myself or another in danger, 'borrowed', or was disrespectful.  Really, I don't think that was such a bad idea on their part.

exaclty what i mean
You spank to much, and it just becomes a thing, as well as getitng you used to voilence, which is bad
But, in some cases, its a good thing, because it tells you you've done something wrong, and the pain reminds you not to again, as long as its out of the ordinary
And I agree with you in a related matter. There is also such a thing as being TOO strict.  Almost every instance of children who were raised by strict parents I know of has had some sort of ill effect on that child.  Two that I can think of right off the top of my head are 2 different girls who immediately started doing drugs once they were exposed to them, and I think this was a form of rebelling against their parents at first, but not in the most basic of ways.  I think they were held too tightly and not ever allowed to do anything, so as soon as they did something pleasurable or naughty, no matter how bad, they'd be even more attracted to it than if under normal circumstances.   Forbidden fruit, anyone?  I can think of other instances, but the results still are pending.  And no, it doesn't always turn out badly, but there is one stereotype that I can think of that will only get giggles from this forum.
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Spanking is not necessarily the solution.  If the family doesn't even have rules in place, well then spanking is going to have no effect.
On the other hand, I don't believe in spanking as a means of discipline - it incites more "fear" rather than "compliance".  I've seen many other approaches which are successful without the need for physical "torture".


I reckon the main problem is still not enough discipline.

If kids do something bad, and the parents do nothing about it, it just makes the kids more daring. They build up confidence to do more each time you let them go. There needs to be rules, and if your kids break them, you will need to punish them. If you don't, it will just encourage them to break it even more.

For example, if your kid doesn't do homework, and when you tell him to do it, he picks up a nearby object, and breaks the window, you DON'T go something like "awwww... I'm sooo sorry, I didn't really think about what you felt... sorry for hurting your feelings... how about this, I'll give you a treat to make up to you..." that is NOT good. That's the kind of thing that will completely fuck up your kid. Instead, you should seriously punish him, and make sure he never does it again.

As for spanking... well, I've never really been spanked, (except for I think when I was really little, and can't really remember it now). It shouldn't be the 1st solution, but it is an effective solution when others don't work.


Hellgiver Wrote:Did you know that I used to be the captain of our chess team in Intermediate School, but they ended up stopping us from doing it because the school decided chess was too competitive?  Wonderful, let's just have everyone beat their heads with rocks. God forbid anyone actually do something that would stimulate the mind.

I used to play chess in a club, and for our school too.

double you tee eff!!!

Chess is too competitive. LOLOLOLOL...

That is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard.

The purpose of school is to prepare them child for the future. The future work environment is full of competition. The future is a place where if do not know how to compete, you will just fall the the bottom. Competition is what strives us to be better. It is what makes us better.


I completely hate this the attitude wee are adopting in schools. This attitude where everything is "alright". If you fail, it's "alright", aleast you "tried". If you can't do it, it's "alright", "noone's good at everything". What bullshit is this. If you fail, it is NOT "alright". How is this poo poo preparing you for the future... In the workforce, you fail and you're screwed. You can't do it, and you're out. Noone cares whether you tried or not. Your boss does not pay you to "try". He pays you for results. And it is results that count. Schools these days make it sound like it's "alright" to fail. Well, in real life, if you fail, then you fail. I've heard that someone here is thinking about abolishing the grading scheme in schools all together, because it hurts the confidence of the children who don't do as well... What is the point of building up this useless self confidence if it will just be shattered as soon as you hit the real world... The guy who thought this up needs to be hung upside down and have his head stuck into a toilet until he drowns in the piss (ok, maybe that's going a bit to far. Hahaha...)
Assassinator Wrote:If kids do something bad, and the parents do nothing about it, it just makes the kids more daring. They build up confidence to do more each time you let them go. There needs to be rules, and if your kids break them, you will need to punish them. If you don't, it will just encourage them to break it even more.

For example, if your kid doesn't do homework, and when you tell him to do it, he picks up a nearby object, and breaks the window, you DON'T go something like "awwww... I'm sooo sorry, I didn't really think about what you felt... sorry for hurting your feelings... how about this, I'll give you a treat to make up to you..." that is NOT good. That's the kind of thing that will completely fuck up your kid. Instead, you should seriously punish him, and make sure he never does it again.
I think the idea is to not let your children get that kind of mentality in the first place.
Assassinator Wrote:The purpose of school is to prepare them child for the future. The future work environment is full of competition. The future is a place where if do not know how to compete, you will just fall the the bottom. Competition is what strives us to be better. It is what makes us better.


I completely hate this the attitude wee are adopting in schools. This attitude where everything is "alright". If you fail, it's "alright", aleast you "tried". If you can't do it, it's "alright", "noone's good at everything". What bullshit is this. If you fail, it is NOT "alright". How is this poo poo preparing you for the future... In the workforce, you fail and you're screwed. You can't do it, and you're out. Noone cares whether you tried or not. Your boss does not pay you to "try". He pays you for results. And it is results that count. Schools these days make it sound like it's "alright" to fail. Well, in real life, if you fail, then you fail. I've heard that someone here is thinking about abolishing the grading scheme in schools all together, because it hurts the confidence of the children who don't do as well... What is the point of building up this useless self confidence if it will just be shattered as soon as you hit the real world... The guy who thought this up needs to be hung upside down and have his head stuck into a toilet until he drowns in the piss (ok, maybe that's going a bit to far. Hahaha...)


I agree completely.  That is one reason I have been getting so mad about the dodge ball and tag thing as well.  School is one of the main places where kids learn to interact, and this is teaching them that everything will always be safe, and you will never get hurt.  There's no need for people to be competitive, because there's no way an employer will choose the better candidate for a job.  How will they deal with a let down like that?  You learn early on to deal with disappointment and it won't be so dramatic later in life.  

You know, you are also dead on with no one failing.  Did you know I actually have (had) 3 Tae Kwon Do sparring trophies? I was HORRIBLE at it. I was more into it because it was fun and a good way to stay physical, but was horrible in competition.  It was 3-4 people in each section fighting each other and putting on  single demonstration.  Guess how many people got a trophy?  3-4.  That's right, you'd get a trophy if you got onto the floor when your name was called, shit yourself, and sat back down. Last place got a huge fricking trophy.  Of course I used them for all my destructive needs at a young age because they meant absolutely nothing to me.  Same thing with chess trophies, oftentimes. I actually have thrown away 2 or 3 trophies because they were 4th or 5th place.  4th or 5th might mean something if it were out of 100 people, but when it is just 20 people or so in a smaller tournament, it starts losing its value.  

They can try to sugar coat it by giving out all the trophies they want, but kids who learned how to deal with competition early aren't tricked by such things.  Wee obviously enjoy the competition and strive to do our best. If wee know wee did horribly or did well below our best and are still rewarded for it, that physical reward means nothing. If anything, it is just a bad memory.  All I needed to take from those tournys are my recorded games and I just looked over them to see how I messed up and I don't make such mistakes again.  That's all I needed to take from that experience.
^ Wow, I really do think that's over-board.

I think the most I've ever got was 3rd place ribbons as prizes.
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