ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Assassinator Wrote:No, they're just out of ideas. Or the VN » anime transition wasn't done perfectly, that is, some crucial info has been lost in transition.
That's a pretty big claim to make, especially since they evidently justified the cost to actually make the anime, the fact that these guys' job is to do this kind of stuff, and you probably aren't exactly an expert in the field...
Yes, possible they made a misjudgement on what they expected watchers to understand, but I highly doubt that they did it by accident.
Think of novel » movie transitions. In similar logic, a VN is massive, if you read the thing (AIR) through from start to finish, covering all the routes, it'll probably take you like 50+ hours. A 12 episode anime cannot hope to cover all the details in the VN, so details will be left out.
Actually, I don't believe it's an unknowing mistake either. Probably did do it on purpose, at least partially. And also like you said, it's not exactly a "mistake", you for one, don't seem to mind it.
Just like how 2 people can hand in an Assignemnt, both thinking they did the best they can, and then 1 person gets a much higher score. Wanting to do it perfectly doesn't always mean you can, given time and money constraints. And if the earlier episodes didn't cover the necessary material, it's too late to go back and correct it.
Assassinator Wrote:Just like how 2 people can hand in an Assignemnt, both thinking they did the best they can, and then 1 person gets a much higher score. Wanting to do it perfectly doesn't always mean you can, given time and money constraints. And if the earlier episodes didn't cover the necessary material, it's too late to go back and correct it.
Yeah, but if it's two professional musicians taking a basic/elementary music examination, you'd expect both of them to at least pass, right? Of course, the examiner/judge might prefer one of the other, but you'd expect the worse one to still do fairly well...
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Yeah, but if it's two professional musicians taking a basic/elementary music examination, you'd expect both of them to at least pass, right? Of course, the examiner/judge might prefer one of the other, but you'd expect the worse one to still do fairly well...
Pass is not a very good score. And I'll rate AIR much higher than pass anyway, as a whole.
Assassinator Wrote:ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Yeah, but if it's two professional musicians taking a basic/elementary music examination, you'd expect both of them to at least pass, right? Of course, the examiner/judge might prefer one of the other, but you'd expect the worse one to still do fairly well...
Pass is not a very good score. And I'll rate AIR much higher than pass anyway, as a whole.
It's in relation to giving the viewer enough details.
Either case, I'm pretty sure the mysteriousness is the desired effect. I personally think finding weak links to be rather interesting, as it can make you think.
A nice example is Chobits - they'll never explicitly show you the link between the show and their real life suggestions - it's something you have to figure out.
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:A nice example is Chobits - they'll never explicitly show you the link between the show and their real life suggestions - it's something you have to figure out.
you say they'll never explicitly show that, of course they won't, its an anime...... but I think theres a difference between loose ends within the story (purposely placed) and those brought about by trying to figure them out.
Is it really something you
have to figure out?
This is the the difference, again, with Air and Kanon........ Airs core story suffers from loose ends that leave you going "double you tee eff" after its done. Kanon
does not.
Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:Is it really something you have to figure out?
If you watch mindlessly, you probably won't bother, but if you actively put your mind to it, perhaps so.
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:Is it really something you have to figure out?
If you watch mindlessly, you probably won't bother, but if you actively put your mind to it, perhaps so.
I watch for what is provided, not for what isn't.
Air left me bothered while Kanon didn't.
Predertermined factors should not affect someones enjoyment factor.
Loose ends, Animation or Voice acting either adds to or subtracts from the enjoyment of it in the first place anyway... so subtracting from something you very much enjoyed for its loose ends is wrong.
I didn't enjoy the fact Air left me confused..... and it somewhat bothered me ~ admittedly I like my happy endings, or even sad endings, so long as its conclusive............ Air wasn't.. and that's what effected my rating for it (so it wasn't perfect...)
Kanon left me happy. It finished conclusive and it did not leave lingering, a bad taste, even, after watching it. And that's enough evidence for me to give it sufficient rating for it to be one of my favorite animes of all time.
That is why Elfen Lied made it up there. I'm sure I'm just more accepting of the ending than others... granted it has very obvious loose ends but I felt Lucy/Nyu's story was told. And that was enough.
I can tell you've made up your mind... and that means I'll overlook any numbered rating you give Kanon or Air - all I know is that somehow or other you enjoyed Air more. And that's enough.
IMO - Kanon was better. There wee go. ^___^
Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:I watch for what is provided, not for what isn't.
Ah, but do you make the most of what's provided? :P
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:I watch for what is provided, not for what isn't.
Ah, but do you make the most of what's provided? :P
Yeah... the result is the enjoyment factor.
By make the most - that shouldnt mean looking for every flaw in the anime......... it should mean watching the anime >_>
Edit: and THAT doesn't mean you IGNORE flaws, sure you take them into account, but only by how much it affects your viewing experience.
Air did. Kanon didn't.
Senseito URΩBΩROS Wrote:Yeah... the result is the enjoyment factor.
By make the most - that shouldnt mean looking for every flaw in the anime......... it should mean watching the anime >_>
Yes, but to what degree do flaws affect enjoyment? Wouldn't that depend on how astute one is?
I don't go looking for flaws - they get shown to me.