Endless Paradigm - S7 Talks Anime

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Senseito7 Wrote: [ -> ]But Kanon and Clannad follow the same kind of "special" ending formula so I guess it is a Key thing.

Yeah, Key's defining "nakige formula". Quoting VNDB...

Quote:The developers at Tactics (where Key split off from) created a simple formula for a game: a comedic first half with a heart-warming romantic middle followed by a tragic separation and finally an emotional reunion formed what is known as a "crying game". The main purpose of such a game is to make the player feel for the characters and make them cry due to emotional scenarios which serves to leave a bigger impact on the player after the game is over.

It's pretty much one of the things I don't like about Key stories, every girl ALWAYS has some kind of sob story behind her, you can just sit back and expect it. And when there's 5 characters, stuff starts to feel superficial and forced.

Kanon is way better than Clannad 1st season. The "sob stories" in Clannad 1 really aren't very good at what they do, I didn't feel all that much emotional impact at all, and Clannad isn't much without emotional impact.

Well its a formula that works - who can blame them for continuing to use it?

However formulaic, Kyoto Animation's productions make sure that everything involved in an anime production is as close to perfect as possible and their recent track record is proof of that. So combining their production ability and the type of story that Key writes then it was bound to result in something fantastic. Air was great and Kanon/Clannad even more so.

Saying all this only reminds me of Angel Beats and Little Busters. Both which would have been better if KyoAni produced them - but I guess you could say that about a lot of anime produced by average studios.

Kyoto Animation, ufotable, Comix Wave, Production I.G, Studio Ghibli... amazing studios.

I'd say the same about SHAFT but I really do think the taste for their work varies from person to person.

Senseito7 Wrote: [ -> ]ufotable

Watched the 18th episode of Fate/Zero, it feels like watching Kara no Kyoukai over again, the animation, Yuki Kaijura soundtrack and the whole feeling the episode gives (it's somewhat different from the normal Fate/Zero). It even closes with a Kalafina song on the black background with white credits.

Senseito7 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd say the same about SHAFT but I really do think the taste for their work varies from person to person.

One thing I can say about Shaft is that it does produce some visually unique and beautiful animations.

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Senseito7 Wrote: [ -> ]ufotable

Watched the 18th episode of Fate/Zero, it feels like watching Kara no Kyoukai over again, the animation, Yuki Kaijura soundtrack and the whole feeling the episode gives (it's somewhat different from the normal Fate/Zero). It even closes with a Kalafina song on the black background with white credits.

Ah, well perhaps seeing them experiment in different styles would be nice to see. Same goes for Comix Wave.

Senseito7 Wrote: [ -> ]
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ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: [ -> ]
Senseito7 Wrote: [ -> ]
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It's more how they approached things.
It's as if a story like High School of the Dead ended with "...and then he woke up and it was all a dream".
Messing up everything and then restoring everything by 'traversing through an alternative universe' is really double you tee eff for the type of story.
They may as well have had a necromancer revive Nagisa as a magical girl.

This. SO much THIS.

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It's what dropped it from a 10 to an 8 score wise.

EDIT: In fact now that I start remembering more it makes me want to drop it down to a SIX

eKusoshisut0 Wrote: [ -> ]
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: [ -> ]
Senseito7 Wrote: [ -> ]
Spoiler for Being careful now:

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It's more how they approached things.
It's as if a story like High School of the Dead ended with "...and then he woke up and it was all a dream".
Messing up everything and then restoring everything by 'traversing through an alternative universe' is really double you tee eff for the type of story.
They may as well have had a necromancer revive Nagisa as a magical girl.

This. SO much THIS.

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It's probably my major problem with Clannad AS. I mean I get the whole drama that happens with Nagisa dying but then pulling the same stuff with Ushio only to have them all revived and episode later with magical dragon balls. I'm like, seriously? Really? That just undermines everything that had happened until then. No Key, I'm not buying it!!
It's what dropped it from a 10 to an 8 score wise.

EDIT: In fact now that I start remembering more it makes me want to drop it down to a SIX

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Really guys? Although I considered the very end (of the last episode) surreal and slightly unusual - I never had an issue with the conclusion of the story you guys seem to be having.

Consider what happens to Tomoya when Nagisa passes away and how he changes - this is the whole point of this part of After Story - he learns a lesson in the appreciation of life.

He lost the most important person in his life and after that, he felt he had nothing left. This is what drove him down into the misery that consumed his life afterwards. When he finds a place for Ushio in his heart he realizes his mistake. Of course, it's not easy - losing someone that important to him must have destroyed him and it seems like his love for her was such that all that was left inside him was sadness.

The important thing, was that he realized that with Ushio he could still be happy and, of course, it must have really clicked that Nagisa was in Ushio in many ways and as they started to interact without the regret he must have felt towards her up until that point, he realizes not only his mistake but the fact she can be the light in his life. When he realizes the error of his ways, he changes fundamentally and what followed, what happens to Ushio, followed. Perhaps it was in part due to the neglect he showed towards her for so very long... I couldn't imagine, after creating the bond he did with his daughter, how it could have possibly felt to have every last degree of happiness taken from you.

The resulting miracle brought this family back together, yes, but it seems as though the whole process was something he needed to experience in order to live the life he desired. I mentioned the regret he felt towards his daughter: there must have been feelings he had when Nagisa was slipping away while giving birth to her that he shouldn't have had, so he had to learn to accept what must have been Nagisa's last wish, for him to be with Ushio no matter what. To be a family regardless and find happiness even after she passes away. He failed, but he ultimately learnt from his mistakes, but he was punished yet again because of the fact that even if Nagisa wasn't there, Ushio should have been just as important to him from the start, but she wasn't. Realizing she should have been and realizing the relationship he had with his daughter and losing everything after finding it was the trigger for the return to the most important moment in his life.

She survived, and they could live as a happy family, but even if she passed away, he wouldn't have felt the regret he did for having a child with Nagisa and he would have loved his daughter through the sadness of losing the one he loved most and as such, he wouldn't have lost himself in it either.

It seems as though by learning this most important of lessons he found himself in a reality where he could truly appreciate the happiness he had and not take it for granted. (Of course, the happiness he sought was represented by the balls of light that appear.)

As a whole, the story is incredibly deep for an animated title and I could imagine, like myself, it affected many others significantly. There's a lot people can learn from in the story that is told, and the most important one is to appreciate the happiness you do have and to cherish it, and it's just as well that wee appreciate the story for what it's worth - an awful lot, at least to me.

Staying far away from those spoiler tags fer now.
Sat down and watched ep 20 last night. At the end I was just kind of whimpering. But the thing is wrapping up soon, right? So things have to work out. So I start up episode 21...

I just really need a hug right now...

games like a grrl Wrote: [ -> ]Staying far away from those spoiler tags fer now.
Sat down and watched ep 20 last night. At the end I was just kind of whimpering. But the thing is wrapping up soon, right? So things have to work out. So I start up episode 21...
I just really need a hug right now...

* S7* hugs - cause you'll definitely need one

You have a couple more to go (after Ep20) excluding the Extra episode (a good summary episode) and the "Another World: Kyou Chapter" OVA (assuming you saw the first "Another World" OVA at the end of season one) which I wouldn't watch immediately, keep it for another time and let the true story sink in.

Do check out the discussion wee had at some point afterwards though, you'll probably find it interesting.

I see where you're coming from Senseito7 - interesting interpretation. I disagree on some points, but still, I don't think that justifies the approach they've taken with episode 22.