Endless Paradigm

Seems the NDA was just lifted on various review sites and benchmarks of AMD's revolutionary new architecture (biggest architectural change since the 2003 Athlon64) are up on various sites.
Here's a list: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2197909

Summary is that it's mostly a flop, with the Phenom II X6 1100T beating the top of the range FX-8150 in many single threaded benchmarks.  Even encoding, which should favour the 8 cores, doesn't scale too well against its predecessor.
Hopefully this is due to unoptimised software/OS or similar - I'm finding it hard to believe a large architectural overhaul would result in less IPC than its predecessor.

As an owner of the Phenom II x6 1100T
I am quite happy to know my hardware won't be obsolete as quick as I imagined it would be


also there is a chart on one of the pages that says the turbo on the 1100T cap at 3.6 ghz
I have no problems currently on mine which is set to about 4.0 ghz any higher than that though and it starts to flip out

Finally they have reviews?

Edit: Ok disappointing but the bright side is Intel maybe will drop it's price now.

Zing Burg Wrote: [ -> ]Summary is that it's mostly a flop, with the Phenom II X6 1100T beating the top of the range FX-8150 in many single threaded benchmarks.

Oh lawd. Pull your socks up AMD.

Intel 4 life for system builds

Though I use an AMD laptop lol

Zing Burg Wrote: [ -> ]Summary is that it's mostly a flop, with the Phenom II X6 1100T beating the top of the range FX-8150 in many single threaded benchmarks.

That's extremely disappointing.

But then again, with all the delays and stuff, you kind of suspect something might be going wrong somewhere.  I mean look at Fermi (geforce 400 series, which is like... delay delay delay and when it finally releases you find out it sucks).

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Zing Burg Wrote: [ -> ]I'm finding it hard to believe a large architectural overhaul would result in less IPC than its predecessor.

Spend years developing something that is worse than it's predecessor like 1/2 the time, that sounds retarded as fuck.

If the review is true, then I'll probably be going Intel next time around (core i5).  Need non-shitty single threaded performance to emulate PS2 lol (PCSX2 only uses 2 cores).  Will loose out on the encoding side, but I don' really encode much stuff anymore nowadays, and any modern overclocked CPU is fast enough at encoding anyway.

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Also why did they bring back "FX" if Bulldozer is going to suck?  FX was the name given to the expensive as fuck high end chips back then in the Athlon days, which were the fastest in the market.  Not for mid-end chips that compete on price.

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]I mean look at Fermi (geforce 400 series, which is like... delay delay delay and when it finally releases you find out it sucks).

But it was actually better than the 5870, and certainly an improvement (in terms of performance) than the 2xx range.  It just consumed lots of power / generating lots of heat.

Here's a successor which doesn't consistently beat its predecessor, and against the Sandy Bridge, even more suspect.  Uses more power, and not exactly cheaper either (though prices will come down).

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Interestingly, most reviews used the ASUS Crosshair mobo, but it seems that those using other motherboards got better results?
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.ph...5&pageid=1
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/za...xa-ud7/30/

Zing Burg Wrote: [ -> ]But it was actually better than the 5870, and certainly an improvement (in terms of performance) than the 2xx range.  It just consumed lots of power / generating lots of heat.

And was expensive as fuck.  No reason to actually get one unless you're a fanboy.  I'm talking about the 480 by the way, not the 460 or whatever came afterwards.

The same case now with Bulldozer.

Zing Burg Wrote: [ -> ]Interestingly, most reviews used the ASUS Crosshair mobo, but it seems that those using other motherboards got better results?
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.ph...5&pageid=1
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/za...xa-ud7/30/

Didn't AMD like give the reviewers that mobo?

If the mobo sucks and makes the chip underperform, it would be dumb beyond belief for AMD to give that particular mobo.  In other words, I don't really think the mobo has much to do with it.

Now that's more like it