Endless Paradigm

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]yah,.. troll documentaries,. its rubbish and only serves to fudge with people's minds,.. sounds trollish to me,.. mebbe i still don't understand the real meaning of trolling ;p

That's certainly a possibility, but if backed up by good proofs, I wouldn't so quickly regard it as rubbish.

Hundreds of years ago it was considered blasphemy to suggest the Earth was round, since the church simply would not hear of it.  Minority beliefs aren't necessarily "wrong" or "bad", although there probably certainly are a lot of rubbish beliefs out there.  The ones perhaps deserving of attention are those which are actually backed up by something more legitimate.

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]its kinda shameful to make a documentary like this,.. people died at 911,.. i can still recall seeing a plane fly into one of the towers,.. it was like watching a movie,.. just couldn't believe whot i was watching,. but it was real,. it was on the news,..

I think everyone, including the documentary makers, agree with that.  And I think it's logical to try to prevent this situation from ever occurring again.  Which may include trying to find out what exactly caused it.
I don't see how these documentaries are trying to downplay the impact of the loss of life at all.

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: [ -> ]

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]yah,.. troll documentaries,. its rubbish and only serves to fudge with people's minds,.. sounds trollish to me,.. mebbe i still don't understand the real meaning of trolling ;p

That's certainly a possibility, but if backed up by good proofs, I wouldn't so quickly regard it as rubbish.

Hundreds of years ago it was considered blasphemy to suggest the Earth was round, since the church simply would not hear of it.  Minority beliefs aren't necessarily "wrong" or "bad", although there probably certainly are a lot of rubbish beliefs out there.  The ones perhaps deserving of attention are those which are actually backed up by something more legitimate.

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]its kinda shameful to make a documentary like this,.. people died at 911,.. i can still recall seeing a plane fly into one of the towers,.. it was like watching a movie,.. just couldn't believe whot i was watching,. but it was real,. it was on the news,..

I think everyone, including the documentary makers, agree with that.  And I think it's logical to try to prevent this situation from ever occurring again.  Which may include trying to find out what exactly caused it.
I don't see how these documentaries are trying to downplay the impact of the loss of life at all.

IMO its tasteless to make IMO rubbish like this,..

the problem is they already made these docu's,......(weird assumptions/believe's) and there for can't be excused anymore being wrong,..
Wee are not talking crop-circles here,. you know,.

i was about to say that there is 1% change that 911 is/was some secret US cover-up plan to start some new-world something something,.. but there isn't,.. there are facts about whot really happened and those facts are undeniable,..  they are undeniable facts,..

i can't really link this with the world being flat or round,. you had lost me there,. ;p

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]the problem is they already made these docu's,......(weird assumptions/believe's) and there for can't be excused anymore being wrong,..

The problem is that you think the ideas are weird or strange.  You've got a bit of a presumption on that, and you're finding it difficult to not consider them to be weird or strange.
Going against popular belief may be what you consider strange or weird

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]i can't really link this with the world being flat or round,. you had lost me there,. ;p

...it's because hundreds of years ago, the idea that the world was round would be considered strange or weird.
Just because something may not be in popular belief doesn't mean it's simply just wrong.

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]i was about to say that there is 1% change that 911 is/was some secret US cover-up plan to start some new-world something something,..

But is it 1%?  Or would it be 20%?  50%?  0.0001%?
What are chances being based upon?  Motivation?  If so, then the best way to judge is to take into consideration the motivations of those who are potentially behind the bombings.  Which is what these documentaries try to show (whether or not they do it objectively, or even how accurate they are, is another matter).

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]but there isn't,.. there are facts about whot really happened and those facts are undeniable,..  they are undeniable facts,..

And I don't think the documentaries deny the facts.
What is not fact, however, is who was behind the attacks.  And that is what's being debated here, not whether the bombings ever occurred or not.

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: [ -> ]

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]the problem is they already made these docu's,......(weird assumptions/believe's) and there for can't be excused anymore being wrong,..

The problem is that you think the ideas are weird or strange.  You've got a bit of a presumption on that, and you're finding it difficult to not consider them to be weird or strange.
Going against popular belief may be what you consider strange or weird

1st,. this, hopefully, isn't popular belief
2nd its my optioning,. its indeed whot i think,.. i don't really see that as a problem,.. and its not a shameless believe.

i am open minded i can admire a "believe",. eg like the rumor the US didn't land on the moon,. and was a studio recording,. that's fun,.(hehe,. yah i don't beleive that either,. that's my freedon to not believe that) but making a documentary about 911 and trying to convince people something like this i think its kinda tasteless,.
i am blessed to draw a line,. HALELUJA! (don't get me started on religion)

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: [ -> ]

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]i can't really link this with the world being flat or round,. you had lost me there,. ;p

...it's because hundreds of years ago, the idea that the world was round would be considered strange or weird.
Just because something may not be in popular belief doesn't mean it's simply just wrong.

I don't think 100 years from now anything will change whot happened at 911,. and why,.. and by who,..

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: [ -> ]

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]i was about to say that there is 1% change that 911 is/was some secret US cover-up plan to start some new-world something something,..

But is it 1%?  Or would it be 20%?  50%?  0.0001%?
What are chances being based upon?  Motivation?  If so, then the best way to judge is to take into consideration the motivations of those who are potentially behind the bombings.  Which is what these documentaries try to show (whether or not they do it objectively, or even how accurate they are, is another matter).

look,. i like stuff like this,. IF ITS GOOD,. but this,.. for me if there was 1% saying this got any marred that means i have to dismiss all evidence of the true story,.. and that's impossible and i don't think there are 2 explanations,. are there?

but in the spirit of believe,. have you considered that these docu's could have other intension's,.. ?  i am kinda hoping so,.

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Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]but there isn't,.. there are facts about whot really happened and those facts are undeniable,..  they are undeniable facts,..

And I don't think the documentaries deny the facts.
What is not fact, however, is who was behind the attacks.  And that is what's being debated here, not whether the bombings ever occurred or not.

no but offcourse these docu's won't deny anything,...

anyway,. for me its a fact who was behind 911,. so its why i don't like these docu's,. especially these about 911.

there is prob 1 positive site about these docu's,. people should nvr forget whot happend in New York that day,..

This video proved to me that 911 was an Inside job...... Taxicab driver Lioyde England gave it away....

Dismissing them as "troll" documentaries is just ignorance. They're actually basing the accounts on facts. There's a thread on PaCmAn's site all about it. Also, not everything on the news is true. Hell, they were saying a few weeks ago that marijuana has the ability to mutate your DNA if you smoke it which is pure poo poo.

http://pacsteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4401

bsanehi Wrote: [ -> ]This video proved to me that 911 was an Inside job...... Taxicab driver Lioyde England gave it away....

gonne watch this tomorrow,.. don't have sound now,.. :(

@joomla,.. the weed thingy with dna changing and stuff,. that's the equivalent to this story for me,.  and that's why i find these docu's kinda tasteless,...(tasteless troll docu's) but i will watch bsanehi vid :/

unless both story's/believes/theory's are connected somehow,.. i choose the facts supporting the "real" story,.

I don't really want to start a fight here, and since there's really no solid proof as of yet on the matter, just believe what suits you best.
I think you're missing the point of what's being said

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]2nd its my optioning,. its indeed whot i think,.. i don't really see that as a problem,.. and its not a shameless believe.

i am open minded i can admire a "believe",.

Depends on the degree at which you're willing to view things from a different angle I guess.
By the way, popular belief here refers to the popular belief in the US - I'm sure the popular belief in other nations may be quite different.

I wasn't trying to start a fight either. Using "It was on the news, it must be true" as an argument though is rather ignorant (no offense). Sure Al Qaeda terrorists flew into the towers, that much is apparent. The fact that the US had influence on the attack though has not yet been disproven.

ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: [ -> ]I don't really want to start a fight here, and since there's really no solid proof as of yet on the matter, just believe what suits you best.
I think you're missing the point of what's being said

Vegetano1 Wrote: [ -> ]2nd its my optioning,. its indeed whot i think,.. i don't really see that as a problem,.. and its not a shameless believe.

i am open minded i can admire a "believe",.

Depends on the degree at which you're willing to view things from a different angle I guess.
By the way, popular belief here refers to the popular belief in the US - I'm sure the popular belief in other nations may be quite different.

i am not talking about "things like these,." i am talking about 911,. and whot happend there and how and by who,.. i can not believe these docu's,..(about 911)

but if you ask me,.. its ridiculous/tasteless/sad/far fetched/dumb and making me sick to the bone,.. (there are some of my degreed angles on the subject ;p)

i will take all of the above back if proven this was an inside US scam of some sort,.. then i was wrong,... :\

the US its a crazy country,. if you ask me,.. well,. ask anyone,. hehe then again japanese tv-shows can be crazy too,. but its more like a harmless crazy kind,.

anyway,. i sure hope i haven't offended any1,.. DON't mind me,. ;) also its like monday today and its like 03:37 right now,..