Endless Paradigm

Stupidity from all concerned :/

That's saddening, but on behalf of the roomate, that's just despicable

A pocky move by the room-mate; but a fatally retarded move on the part of the homosexual concerned.
Seriously, what a chocolatety outlook on life; it's not the end of the world if you're forced to come out of the closet.

Silvertie Wrote: [ -> ]A pocky move by the room-mate; but a fatally retarded move on the part of the homosexual concerned.
Seriously, what a chocolatety outlook on life; it's not the end of the world if you're forced to come out of the closet.

It isn't the actual coming out of the closet that was so traumatizing, it was having the choice not only taken from you, but being openly ridiculed in the process, as well as being "outed" in one of the most extreme manners possible. Of the homosexuals I have met in life, they have all, at one point or another, felt somewhat ashamed of themselves, and feared that no one would accept them if they ever knew of this, so they hid from it up until they realized they would only be happy if they were true to themselves, and quit living a false life. At this point, they felt comfortable enough to take a chance and tell their loved ones.

As another forum goer commented:
"For the love of God people stop posting he committed suicide simply because people found out he was gay. There's a massive difference between being found out gay when you're still in the closet, and being a closet gay and having the privacy of your deepest darkest secret broadcasted live of you having sex with another guy by your roommate."

It really isn't the same.

^ Still shows how much he valued his life. Yes it was a spoon move from his roommate but there's got to be a line between your social life and your LIFE.

Like I said, stupidity from all concerned.

Senseito7 Wrote: [ -> ]^ Still shows how much he valued his life. Yes it was a spoon move from his roommate but there's got to be a line between your social life and your LIFE.

Like I said, stupidity from all concerned.

I don't know... already discussed this story with one of my homosexual friends, and his immediate response was "I probably would have ended up doing it too." I've had many unbelievably stressful events in my life, but I have always had SOME control, and had some way in which to rectify the situation, but as I posted on another forum:

"I think it is pretty foolish to think it would be easy for that student to ignore all the criticism, all the judging eyes, all the shame, whether it is worth being shamed over or not... Such unbelievable pain, I can see someone getting to the point where they consider the pain unbearable, and there appears to be no way out. I have not experienced what he has, but I have entertained extreme thoughts, such as suicide."

And who knows, he might have had major depressive disorder, or dysthymia, or some other depressive disorder. Maybe you are right, and he'd always been told how little his life meant, and as a result he did not value his life (though, he appeared to be doing a lot more with it than I am with mine...)

I guess my point is more that I think everyone has a breaking point. Depending on faith, on cultural expectations, or really any number of variables, such an act is not unthinkable in my mind. Ignoring the "suicide is selfish" argument, I'd say it was purely the ridicule, the lifetime of therapy that would be needed to even allow him some semblance of a "normal" life.  I don't know... I guess I just don't see such a breaking point as unfathomable. Just my opinion though.

There are details missing that can make a huge difference here - I mean the guy used iChat - not something like uStream or a similar service to broadcast his roommate having gay sex of which he shouldn't be ashamed of so long as he has accepted himself for who he is. I don't know if iChat has a limit but even if it's a dozen people who of which spread the word about it... that's nothing compared to the possibility of broadcasting to the entire campus which I don't doubt would cause suicidal thoughts.

But anyone who's sure of themselves and appreciative of life cannot be pushed over the edge. Suicide caused by ill emotion is almost always a mistake - and the fact he left a message that he was gonna do it on Facebook (why Facebook for a suicide note?) he said sorry... if he has people to apologize to then he obviously didn't care what kind of effect his death would cause.

Hellgiver Wrote: [ -> ]"I think it is pretty foolish to think it would be easy for that student to ignore all the criticism, all the judging eyes, all the shame, whether it is worth being shamed over or not... Such unbelievable pain, I can see someone getting to the point where they consider the pain unbearable, and there appears to be no way out. I have not experienced what he has, but I have entertained extreme thoughts, such as suicide."

Just leave, go to somewhere where absolutely noone knows you, like Australia, and start over again.  Better than being dead at least.

I personally would never just commit suicide.  My theory is... if there is a cause to all the pain/suffering/whatever, take out the cause.  That is, instead of killing myself, kill the people who caused me to want to kill myself.  So even if I do die in the end, at least I die satisfied, knowing that I managed to get them back.  Yes, that's extremely selfish, but by that stage, I really don't think I would care any more.  Of course, that's the very very last resort, if absolutely everything else fails, so hopefully, it'll never come to that.

Senseito7 Wrote: [ -> ]But anyone who's sure of themselves and appreciative of life cannot be pushed over the edge. Suicide caused by ill emotion is almost always a mistake - and the fact he left a message that he was gonna do it on Facebook (why Facebook for a suicide note?) he said sorry... if he has people to apologize to then he obviously didn't care what kind of effect his death would cause.

To be honest, i though that was a bit of a strange thing to do. But, not everyone is accepting of even their own sexuality, and its easy to assume people are saying things, even if they aren't, if you believe what you are doing is wrong. Wether or not he did i don't know, im just throwing it out there

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]Just leave, go to somewhere where absolutely noone knows you, like Australia, and start over again.  Better than being dead at least.

Not necessarily an easy task for a college student, and what's stopping the same thing happening again?