Endless Paradigm

Yeah, i know, this is the MOST trivial and most "taboo" thing to talk about on ANY board since it attracts unwanted and legal actions. Yes, I'm talking about iso's boy and girls; also, inb4 someone is going to call me a pirate off the bat. These childish accusations of course, are going to be discarded; if you don't like this topic, then you can get out and not listen to what i have to say.

So, why am i bringing up this topic? The role of an iso loader is usually related to that lovely thing called piracy; which really cripples the game industry in general because a lot people don't buy their games. There's a lot of turmoil in communities where homebrew is involved, because as everyone knows, homebrew CAN lead to piracy on a system which doesn't officially support it (hacking). Many hackers are thoughtful and respectful individuals (they're software engineers themselves) and MANY look down upon bringing homebrew but piracy as well. Sure, wee have many leaving because of this issue, which is really sad because usually a homebrew dev initially views his work to bring a positive side to the cake.

So, in all due respect, why would i say that the psp go needs an iso loader?

It's because literally, this system sucks without one. No, I'm not talking about free games but the amount of games that are available for it right now. As wee all know, the psp used to be international friendly; when you had the ability to import a game and play it right on your psp. Well, psp go users don't have the same freedom as our more "fatty" brothers. An obvious answer would be "then why the hell did you buy a go?" which only can be answered with this rebuttal "because wee like system, not the service." Let's take an example, i have a hatsune miku project diva umd; but lo-and behold, not only would i have to BUY THE GAME AGAIN it's not even ON THE PLAYSTATION STORE! Does everyone remember valkyrie profile? I wanted to buy that game off psn but i found out sony doesn't have it there.

Doesn't this suck? It's basically saying that some devs are being shut out and having their games unpublished due to some reason. I know that an .iso loader leads to a great many things, but like many things in life; the invention of quantum physics and the theory of the atom lead to the nuclear bomb. But really, i feel like an CFW with an iso loader would be a necessary thing in making a system BETTER and bring MORE SERVICE to the devs who unfortunately have been shut out of the north american PSN.

Of course! no one has ANY obligation to do such a thing whatsoever, but i just want to ask devs to think about what it could bring to the system and developers. Like the previous thread about devs in general, there are always the good and bad sides to people. I believe, (myself for an example) that people who really care about their gaming to buy their games. I know that CFW will bring upon piracy on the system, BUT!; it will also allow the ones who have bought their umd's to be allowed to play international or local games with or without patches to make them more legible (the hatsune english patch for an example) and also allow developers with umd only version to benefit as well from the customers who buy their games.  

Piracy is never any good, but if i can remember what mathualieth said about when they developed an iso loader it was "so the system to benefit from load times." I know that mathualieth would think twice now on releasing a tool to pirate something, but why can't wee stick to the positives that wee envisioned at the start? This is the same thing with the go and i believe, that this time this system really needs it to become better; sony can't provide it, so why are our fellow hackers beckoning and accusing eachother of being pirates when this is only something to get this system to evolve?

What do YOU think is right? CFW or not? Discuss.

P.S. Yes i love homebrew as well.

P.S.S. Also, i think i need my own blog here to put all these mega threads; what do you think admins? :)

I'm not going to read a huge wall of text and I'll say this now (even though this might be your main argument) the GO! deserves so wee can play games wee already bought with our own cash on UMD format which the GO! does not support.

Sparker Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not going to read a huge wall of text and I'll say this now (even though this might be your main argument) the GO! deserves so wee can play games wee already bought with our own cash on UMD format which the GO! does not support.

that is one of the points, yes.

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Also, the huge wall text is to cover all points of the argument, introduction, idea's, controversies, and consensus.

Basically, it's to support myself against any type of attack on my topic.

So yes, necessarily if you are agreeing with me you don't essentially need to read it all; I'd only be annoyed if you didn't read what i said and just went on the attack.

Hence, i will totally ignore you.

Since I've only bought 4 original game's in my entire life and also those were second hand from a car-boot sale for my super Nintendo and I've pirated the rest or bought copy cd's!!! so I can really imagine how horrible it is to spend like $50 or so on a game and then have to spend another $50 (which maybe I haven't spent on buying games in my entire life ) to buy it again although you have it!! but maybe the reason why no one's working on a Iso loader is because every one thing that this god damn Sony is going to give up on their 5 YEARS OLD psp and start working on a PSP2!

I think an ISO loaders does more bad then good for the scene. Just that you're pissed because you can't play some games doesn't mean an ISO loader is neccesary.
Sony need to improve their service for the GO!. The solution lies within Sony, not in an ISO loader.

By the way; can't you just make an UK or Hongkong PlayStation account to acces their stores? Just like the can with the PS3?


p.s. well written! It's an interresting discussion.

yeah imagine the amount of money they put into making the game. i pirate too, but i buy games when it really deserve a buy,

you know a PSP go with CFW will probably make the best portable console ever. people is  only bitching about how it's a hassle to get games with it :P

Heartless141 Wrote: [ -> ]you know a PSP go with CFW will probably make the best portable console ever. people is  only bitching about how it's a hassle to get games with it :P

Another downside is it has a smaller screen than the original PSP.

yeah well l only pirate game because there is no such thing as an original DVD in my country and wee don't have the copyright rule but honestly you've got to think that there is always gone be pirate's and you got to think about the poor guy's who spend hour's and hour's on making game's so maybe you should go and tell Sony to do something about this or maybe flow is right you could create another account  in another region and download your games!

fl0w Wrote: [ -> ]I think an ISO loaders does more bad then good for the scene. Just that you're pissed because you can't play some games doesn't mean an ISO loader is neccesary.
Sony need to improve their service for the GO!. The solution lies within Sony, not in an ISO loader.

By the way; can't you just make an UK or Hongkong PlayStation account to acces their stores? Just like the can with the PS3?

To say I'm pissed is a little over the top to describe my disappointment in the system.

Now to discuss whether an ISO loader is bad for a system is a really up and down argument; thusly, it's almost impossible to come to conclusion whether piracy will REALLY hurt the system in general.

I'm only basing my conclusion for an iso loader because at this time, it has more variables on it's side to somewhat "sound" like it would make the system better. Now yes, Sony is doing the (most?) they can with the system to a certain degree, but like many company's they lack the creative zest due to money, greed, or copyright issues (hence why they don't support emulators). So why is that bringing custom firmware or an iso loader stopping devs? The apple iphone did not support bluetooth keyboards, tethering with certain systems and the whole amount of awesome innovation that homebrewers brung for the system. Did you know that many of apples implementations are based off what the hackers and homebrewers have done?

Of course, the company can improve it's product, but as wee ALL know in the case of apple or any other company (sony isn't the worst of them) they simply, just won't. That is why I'm only ASKING (people think of this post as if I'm complaining, goodness...) that devs can possibly see the GOOD that will come out of bringing innovation to this system; yes, i think an iso loader would be a great innovation, even for how much trouble it could bring as well.

Also, to answer you question about the HK account or such; no, i have not tried to do so, but if i am correct; i can only use one account to play the games i bought from that site. What if i needed to switch between them? The psp go has only wifi and LIMITED bluetooth tethering support (there you go, another reason to hack this thing with a CFW). This is a ridiculous hassle that I'd rather not want to deal with as it can only bring problems with my credit card and my experience of using the system.

It's pretty obvious though, if account sharing was available, then wee'd have piracy already; which (i think) rules out the reason for me having to try this.

fl0w Wrote: [ -> ]p.s. well written! It's an interresting discussion.

Thank you! I usually don't get this.

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]

Heartless141 Wrote: [ -> ]you know a PSP go with CFW will probably make the best portable console ever. people is  only bitching about how it's a hassle to get games with it :P

Another downside is it has a smaller screen than the original PSP.

Aye, but that is not something wee can change; this thread is more to things wee do have influence over :P

bloodangel619 Wrote: [ -> ]yeah well l only pirate game because there is no such thing as an original DVD in my country and wee don't have the copyright rule but honestly you've got to think that there is always gone be pirate's and you got to think about the poor guy's who spend hour's and hour's on making game's so maybe you should go and tell Sony to do something about this or maybe flow is right you could create another account  in another region and download your games!

As i said before, i respect my game developers and yes, i do know there will be who do not. If people are going to pirate, they will pirate in any way they can; if people are going to buy their games, they will buy their games out of respect and/or their parent's just buy it for them as a gift (gifts are usually never pirated). I'm only talking about the good that can come of the iso loader in the sense that it allows customers to keep with the system instead of having to dump it because of all these issues. In response to the HK account question read my answer to fl0w.

Assassinator Wrote: [ -> ]

Heartless141 Wrote: [ -> ]you know a PSP go with CFW will probably make the best portable console ever. people is  only bitching about how it's a hassle to get games with it :P

Another downside is it has a smaller screen than the original PSP.

But that in turn is also an upside because when I carry a PSP in my pants pocket, there's a giant bulge and it feels uncomfortable. I suppose the way around it is bigger pockets or shirt pockets.